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2011 NFL Season - A New Game

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Pegaritaville said:
Exciting game to watch, but nothing went the way I had hoped. I was so close to making some bucks. Oh well...
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Yeah, I got hosed twice. On my Squares, I had Giants 2 Patriots 7. At the end of the 3rd quarter, the score was 12-17, and I thought I was sitting pretty for the 3rd quarter payout. Alas, the G-Men kick a field goal with :35 seconds remaining in the quarter to bump it to 15-17. Damn.

THEN, the Giants magically score a touchdown in the 4th with :57 remaining in the game, taking the score to 21-17. With a PAT and shutting down the Pats, final score would be 22-17, and I'd win the 4th quarter payout. Instead, Coughlin decides now would be a great time to make a pointless 2-pt conversion. Fucker.

I imagine this exact same scenario ran through the minds of everyone in the country who had the 2-7 square.
 
tighr said:
Pegaritaville said:
Exciting game to watch, but nothing went the way I had hoped. I was so close to making some bucks. Oh well...
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Yeah, I got hosed twice. On my Squares, I had Giants 2 Patriots 7. At the end of the 3rd quarter, the score was 12-17, and I thought I was sitting pretty for the 3rd quarter payout. Alas, the G-Men kick a field goal with :35 seconds remaining in the quarter to bump it to 15-17. Damn.

THEN, the Giants magically score a touchdown in the 4th with :57 remaining in the game, taking the score to 21-17. With a PAT and shutting down the Pats, final score would be 22-17, and I'd win the 4th quarter payout. Instead, Coughlin decides now would be a great time to make a pointless 2-pt conversion. Fucker.

I imagine this exact same scenario ran through the minds of everyone in the country who had the 2-7 square.
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I had the Giants 8 and the Patriots 7 as one of my squares. If New York had just kicked a field goal at the end instead of scoring that TD, I too would have been in the money.
 
poundpuppy29 said:
I am bummed about the Pat's loss especially because it was to a NY team but this made me feel better http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/...6349520821_518000820_11613432_857983646_n.jpg
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Not being from New York, I don't really know the culture. But I find it questionable that that graphic includes the Buffalo Sabres and Bills. I also don't know how the politics of the Jets/Nets/Mets/Devils work out, considering those are supposed to be "New Jersey" teams, and I believe the Devils won 2 Stanley Cups this past decade. They are conveniently left off that graphic.
 
Nothing wrong with Gisele standing up for her husband, but her throwing his receiver's under the bus in the process may cause a bit of friction in the locker room, and not the good kind. :lol: Wes Welker is getting a lot of grief about that drop, and it wasn't the best of passes. It's not like Brady hit him in the numbers and he just dropped it. Brady was not the better quarterback on the field. In the clutch, give me Eli.
 
Gisele is the last thing Welker should worried about. The wrath of the Bellichik is a much more immediate concern. Did you see his face after the final whistle?
 
Listen to his post-game stuff. He KNOWS he screwed up, he already feels like shit, and likely agrees with Gisele. Not likely to be much of an issue. Brady could have thrown it better, but he makes that catch almost every time, and regardless of how he had to get there, it hit him in the hands. He just dropped it.
 
There's plenty of blame to go around.

Drops by Welker, Hernandez, and Branch. Off the mark throws by Brady. Horrible miscues - 12 men on the field negating a fumble. Spotty defense. Coaching indecision - are you going to let them score or call TOs?

Both teams showed flashes, neither was great, Pats didn't get robbed of anything.

Unspoken hero of the game is the Giants punter. Pinned the Pats deep several times. Giants dominated field position and time of possession.

It sucks for us Pats people, but the Giants played a better game.
 
SmoothieX said:
Unspoken hero of the game is the Giants punter. Pinned the Pats deep several times. Giants dominated field position and time of possession.
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Glad you mentioned that! After the game when they were reviewing the stats, they highlighted Weatherford's performance. Even with Brady's experience and derring-do, if you have to consistently make longer drives your job gets tougher. And that style of game played right into NY's hands. In fact, the Giants' special teams as a whole may have been the best performing unit from either team that day.
 
Neroon said:
SmoothieX said:
Unspoken hero of the game is the Giants punter. Pinned the Pats deep several times. Giants dominated field position and time of possession.
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Glad you mentioned that! After the game when they were reviewing the stats, they highlighted Weatherford's performance. Even with Brady's experience and derring-do, if you have to consistently make longer drives your job gets tougher. And that style of game played right into NY's hands. In fact, the Giants' special teams as a whole may have been the best performing unit from either team that day.
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I thought he was the MVP. They'll never give the MVP to a punter , not sexy enough, but he was the difference.

Maybe some day a kicker will win MVP if he goes 5/5 or better, including a 50+ walk-off to win.... MAYBE.

To win MVP a punter would have to be on the winning team, have 8+ punts, an average of 50+, kick it out of bounds inside the 5 yard line at least 3 times, make two special teams tackles and have one punt of at least 70 yards in a game with a final score of 9-7.

Short of that....
 
Felt like the Pats started inside their own 15 yard line on every time. A drive is a lot more likely to sputter out if you need to go 90 rather than 60, even if you have all the weapons NE does. With all those drops though they could have started at the Giant 40 and not done much damage.

To win MVP a punter would have to be on the winning team, have 8+ punts, an average of 50+, kick it out of bounds inside the 5 yard line at least 3 times, make two special teams tackles and have one punt of at least 70 yards in a game with a final score of 9-7.
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...All while being 1-legged.
 
ThankQ said:
To win MVP a punter would have to be on the winning team, have 8+ punts, an average of 50+, kick it out of bounds inside the 5 yard line at least 3 times, make two special teams tackles and have one punt of at least 70 yards in a game with a final score of 9-7.
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I would be good with giving it to a punter if he ran/passed a fake punt for a touchdown. Especially if it was for a significant distance. Most fake punts are designed to get the short first down, not score touchdowns.

Especially if that touchdown was a difference maker in the game.
 
ThankQ said:
Neroon said:
SmoothieX said:
Unspoken hero of the game is the Giants punter. Pinned the Pats deep several times. Giants dominated field position and time of possession.
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Glad you mentioned that! After the game when they were reviewing the stats, they highlighted Weatherford's performance. Even with Brady's experience and derring-do, if you have to consistently make longer drives your job gets tougher. And that style of game played right into NY's hands. In fact, the Giants' special teams as a whole may have been the best performing unit from either team that day.
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I thought he was the MVP. They'll never give the MVP to a punter , not sexy enough, but he was the difference.

Maybe some day a kicker will win MVP if he goes 5/5 or better, including a 50+ walk-off to win.... MAYBE.

To win MVP a punter would have to be on the winning team, have 8+ punts, an average of 50+, kick it out of bounds inside the 5 yard line at least 3 times, make two special teams tackles and have one punt of at least 70 yards in a game with a final score of 9-7.

Short of that....
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What it really boils down to, I think, is that punters can't score points. Even defensive players and kick returners can, but punters? Maybe we might see a placekicker win MVP one day, but I doubt there's a scenario that would ever allow for a punter to be named Super Bowl MVP.

That being said, Weatherford deserves a ton of credit for being able to pin the Patriots deep in their own territory as often as he did. :techman:
 
Either that, or the punter would have to make a tackle on a punt return, force a fumble, and essentially return his own punt for a touchdown. Recovering someone else's forced fumble and scoring might be enough, but the first scenario is JUST crazy enough to justify the MVP, especially if that ends up being the difference in the game. Funny just thinking about it :)
 
Special teams are highly underrated. A kicker than can consistently knock down a 48 yarder in shitty weather as the clock runs down only ever gets credit if that kick gets a team to the playoffs/title game/SB. 3 of those combined with a big miss in a meaningless game in Week 14 gets him cut.

The punter is worse. Nobody ever looks at how a top notch punter can dictate field position. Look at the Giants punter from last year to this one. Dodge left one hanging that got returned for a TD and got killed in the media and basically was the nail in the coffin for them. Weatherford shreds the ball in the Super Bowl and no one mentions him. If NE doesn't start what seemed like every drive in their own red zone, we might be talking duck boats instead of ticker tape.
 
Caligula said:
What it really boils down to, I think, is that punters can't score points. Even defensive players and kick returners can, but punters? Maybe we might see a placekicker win MVP one day, but I doubt there's a scenario that would ever allow for a punter to be named Super Bowl MVP.
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Enter Mark Moseley, the only placekicker to ever be awarded the AP NFL MVP. Granted, it was in 1982, the year they only played 9 games. He played for the Super Bowl Champion Washington Redskins. He didn't win the Super Bowl MVP, though, which is what this discussion is about anyway.

The top 5 NFL all-time career points scored leaders are all kickers, too.

Save that one for your back-pocket the next time you play Pub Quiz!
 
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