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I think my girlfriend is a Christian! Advice needed.

MadBaggins

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Since last year I have been attending classes at the local community college in an attempt to better myself. I didn't go in expecting to make friends, as many of the people there were a lot older than me or a bit strange, but I have actually ended up making some good friends! But there was one girl in some of my classes who I never talked to much. Even though she was hot I wasn't sure if I liked her as she always seemed a bit smug and haughty. One time I nearly walked into her in a corridor and she tutted and said "watch it!" She sounded serious so I said "NO" at her face. She looked a bit surprised then just kind of backed away. I think she respected me after that. We had a few similar run-ins over the next few weeks and each time I felt relationships softening, even though I still wasn't sure if I even liked her.

One day I had forgotten to bring a pen to class and I was looking for a pen and I thought my friend was standing there and I asked him for a pen. But it wans't my friend, it was the girl and she gave me a pen! So smiled at me as I did so! It was then that I realized what I had thought had been annoyance had actually been a sexual attraction. I smiled back and from that day on we began talking to each other about our classes and even other things.

One day she was sitting near me talking to two girls she is friends with and I was listening. She was talking about how she was going to church after class to help out with a food collection for homeless people and asking if the two girls wanted to come. They both said they had prior engagements (I'm 99.9999% sure they were lying) and the girl looked sad. I instantly blurted out "I'll help you!" She looked surprised and her true friends looked at each other and I think rolled their eyes but I couldn't see. I quickly explained that I used to work at a soup kitchen with my aunt and I had experience and could be useful if things got tough with the homeless. She laughed (told you she was warming to me) and said she'd be fine but if I wanted to come along I was welcome. I knew it wasn't a date but I couldn't help feeling like it was!

We got on great at the church. I told her about all my experiences (with a few selective edits lol!) and she listened and I could tell she was seeing a new side to me and liking it. I went to the church with her several times after that. I worked really hard and it impressed her. We started hanging around each other all the time (at college and on the way to the church.) I eventually plucked up the courage to ask her if she wanted to do something outside of education/charity work and she said definitely when she wasn't too busy. I held her hand for a few moments after that.

But then I began to suspect she might be a Christian.

When I'd asked her how she'd found out about the food collection she'd said she'd learned it "at church". That was my first clue. My second clue came when one of our professors told a joke about Adam and Eve. Everyone in the class laughed (even the muslim guy I'm friends with!) but she just looked pissed off, like her old haughty self before I dressed her down in that corridor.

The thing is, a few months ago I was a gnostic and wouldn't have cared if she was a Christian, a jew or even a Satanist. But late last year my friend Karissa started sending me links to Richard Dawkings videos on YouTube and they changed my LIFE. Even though at first I thought he was just a jerk I came to find that the truths he spoked were undeniable and that all Christians are seriously deluded. I couldn't believe I was so passive about it before. I even plan on reading his books. Yes I believe in living and letting living, but if I'm going to date a girl then I have to be thinking long terms and there's no way I'd want to raise children with someone with who I have such fundamental differences with and whose beliefs I can't respect. And yet she is a really nice person and I really do love spending time with her. I even enjoy helping the needy when I'm around her. She makes everything feel good. But what do I do when religion comes up as it inevitably will? I don't want to hurt her by explaining why everything she believes in is wrong. What if she took it badly and didn't even except my arguments? But I can't be with her much longer with this huge elephant coming between us. I can feel it gnawing at me everytime I'm around her now. It's bound to come up soon!

What should I do? Has anyone here ever had a similar problem?
 
And so it begins...

If you're really serious about her, I suggest getting over the idea that she's "seriously deluded" and -asking- her about her beliefs.

Imagine that, being non-judgmental...
 
Well, at first I was like...

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I even enjoy helping the needy when I'm around her. She makes everything feel good. But what do I do when religion comes up as it inevitably will?

She makes you feel good and help the needy but when she brings out that big cross you shrink away from it and go running back to your coffin? Yeah I get that too.
 
In all seriousness (Yes, I can do that)...

Christians are people too. I'm happy that you discovered Richard Dawkins and I'm happy to hear that he has helped open you to reality. Your feeling an instinctual backlash against the predominant religion of your culture is a perfectly normal reaction for newly minted atheists, in much the same way that someone who has recently "found Jesus" and jumped wholeheartedly into Christianity may go on and on about it and rudely push it upon others. Just as many of them eventually settle into varying degrees of "You have your way, I have my way" middle ground, it's likely you will too.

If she's a radical Bible thumper, I would guess it's all but a lost cause. If she's just a good person who happens to believe in a god, then I would guess it's more about how well you get along, how open are the lines of communication, and how big a deal you each want to make out of this.
 
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I've been a Christian most of my life, and I've been in a relationship with an atheist for over eight years now (known him for nearly eleven years, but we had a two year break). He's been very respectful, as anyone should be, as I am to him.

You need to end it now, for her sake.
 
Most of my favorite people are Christians.

Richard Dawkins is not one of my favorite people. But that's beside the point; I'm speaking of people I encounter IRL on a regular basis. Given where I live, most folks I meet are Christians of one type or another.
 
This has serious long term potential. What you're going to want to do is slowly but surely indoctrinate her into atheism while pushing away all of her Christian influences, even her parents if need be. Worst comes to worst you lock her in a room and force her to watch Richard Dawkins video clips a la A Clockwork Orange.

I'm hearing wedding bells already.
 
Now forgive me I'm being old fashioned and if I'm too lenient on her since I'm Christian as well. But the way i figure it, for the love of whatever the hell you believe in, just let her believe what she wants. If atheism changed your life, fine. Good for you. If she wants to be "deluded", let her.

As long as you both respect each other's faith, or lack there of, I don't think anything will go tits up.
 
Since last year I have been attending classes at the local community college in an attempt to better myself.

You're going to have some massive student-loan debts.

I didn't go in expecting to make friends, as many of the people there were a lot older than me or a bit strange.

Erm. Hold old are you that most of people at his college are OLDER than you? Wouldn't they be more likely YOUNGER than you? And, yeah, they might find you a bit strange, but you have to expect that sort of reaction when you're one to sleep with first-degree relatives with slight mental disorders.

But there was one girl in some of my classes who I never talked to much.

Just one?

One time I nearly walked into her in a corridor and she tutted and said "watch it!" She sounded serious so I said "NO" at her face.

Yeah, you almost run into her and you take offense. Makes sense.

She looked a bit surprised then just kind of backed away.

People react that way to the crazy.


I think she respected me after that. We had a few similar run-ins over the next few weeks and each time I felt relationships softening, even though I still wasn't sure if I even liked her.


So you routinely almost run into this girl in the halls of your school and then scream at her like she did something wrong. In some states they'd call this stalking.


One day I had forgotten to bring a pen to class and I was looking for a pen and I thought my friend was standing there and I asked him for a pen.

A pen or pants?

But it wans't my friend, it was the girl and she gave me a pen!

So when people stand near you you just assume them to be a friend and start asking them for things? And you were surprised she honor your perfectly normal, and probably quite common, request for a pen? Pants. I mean pants.


So smiled at me as I did so! It was then that I realized what I had thought had been annoyance had actually been a sexual attraction. I smiled back and from that day on we began talking to each other about our classes and even other things.

Yeah, that age where college kids are older than you its pretty common to get disgust and lust mixed up.

One day she was sitting near me talking to two girls she is friends with and I was listening. She was talking about how she was going to church after class to help out with a food collection for homeless people and asking if the two girls wanted to come.

Man! Your local shelters and soup kitchens sure do see some business! Are you posting from an alternate time-line where there was no Job Stimulus Bill?

They both said they had prior engagements (I'm 99.9999% sure they were lying)

How does one quantify their assumptions on another's lies?

and the girl looked sad. I instantly blurted out "I'll help you!" She looked surprised and her true friends looked at each other and I think rolled their eyes...

Man! Once we get gay-rights worked out and finish up getting people to fully respect blacks, women and the handicapped those who are borderline psychotic need to be next. I mean, to act surprised when someone who is not part of a conversation blurts out a response to a question no one asked is just unacceptable.

I knew it wasn't a date but I couldn't help feeling like it was!

It's all twists and cull-de-sacs it's crazy!

We got on great at the church.

WOAH! Quick mover! ... And a bit blasphemous.

I told her about all my experiences (with a few selective edits lol!)...

Like... everything?

I eventually plucked up the courage to ask her if she wanted to do something outside of education/charity work and she said definitely when she wasn't too busy.

I'm thinking this girl is going to suggest to you she has really clean hair.

I held her hand for a few moments after that.

Creepy much?

But then I began to suspect she might be a Christian.

Oh... My.. God. ... NO! I mean Christian?! That's just... just... Wait. Aren't most people usually some Christian faith? And she DOES work in a soup kitchen... normally operated by Christian (or some form there of) churches. I mean... it should have been obvious, the cross necklace. The Jesus fish on her car. Her saying "gosh" a lot.

When I'd asked her how she'd found out about the food collection she'd said she'd learned it "at church". That was my first clue. My second clue came when one of our professors told a joke about Adam and Eve. Everyone in the class laughed (even the muslim guy I'm friends with!) but she just looked pissed off, like her old haughty self before I dressed her down in that corridor.

Dressed her down by saying no. Your teacher is also an asshole.

The thing is, a few months ago I was agnostic and wouldn't have cared if she was a Christian, a jew or even a Satanist. But late last year my friend Karissa started sending me links to Richard Dawkings videos on YouTube and they changed my LIFE.

Don't think you know what Agnostic means.

Even though at first I thought he was just a jerk I came to find that the truths he spoked were undeniable and that all Christians are seriously deluded. I couldn't believe I was so passive about it before. I even plan on reading his books. Yes I believe in living and letting living, but if I'm going to date a girl then I have to be thinking long terms and there's no way I'd want to raise children with someone with who I have such fundamental differences with and whose beliefs I can't respect.

Heh. This reminds me of the time you read the entire Bible inside of a couple of days and understood it completely and believed it to be the One Truth.

And yet she is a really nice person and I really do love spending time with her. I even enjoy helping the needy when I'm around her. She makes everything feel good. But what do I do when religion comes up as it inevitably will? I don't want to hurt her by explaining why everything she believes in is wrong.

There's every much of a chance that you are wrong as she is. There's no reason think differently or less of her because her beliefs differ from yours.

What if she took it badly and didn't even except my arguments? But I can't be with her much longer with this huge elephant coming between us.

I saw an elephant coming between two people once. TJ is a very odd place on Fat Tuesday.

I can feel it gnawing at me everytime I'm around her now. It's bound to come up soon!

Oh, I'm pretty sure it's already up. If not check your E-Mail, they have medication for that now.

What should I do? Has anyone here ever had a similar problem?

MB, I suspect no one has had these problems before.

However, you shouldn't let your different religious or beliefs stand in the way of something that could be meaningful. Atheists can marry Christians, Jews marry Catholics, there's all sorts of screwed up relationships out there. Don't judge her for her different beliefs as she think she's just as right about her side of things as you think about yours. There's no reason to think this Richard Dawson guy's views on things are any different or better than Jesus' or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's.

If there is something here it'll hold in spite of your different views, but you have to be one to not let it get in the way of your side of things and hope she can look past YOUR views. At the very least religion gives her power to want to be a good person and to do good things.
 
There's no reason to think this Richard Dawson guy's views on things are any different or better than Jesus' or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's.

First, it's not Dawkings, it's not Dawson, it's Richard Dawkins.

Secondly, there are a myriad of reasons, but we'd better take that to TNZ. ;)
 
There's no reason to think this Richard Dawson guy's views on things are any different or better than Jesus' or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's.

First, it's not Dawkings, it's not Dawson, it's Richard Dawkins.

Secondly, there are a myriad of reasons, but we'd better take that to TNZ. ;)

I know. It was a joke.
 
There's no reason to think this Richard Dawson guy's views on things are any different or better than Jesus' or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's.

First, it's not Dawkings, it's not Dawson, it's Richard Dawkins.

Secondly, there are a myriad of reasons, but we'd better take that to TNZ. ;)

I know. It was a joke.

Sheesh, I really brought my A-Game today, didn't I?
 
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