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Best and worst moral dilemmas in Star Trek

Actually, the dilemma which worries me the most-- since I get worn out trying to make sense of the Prime Directive-- centers around the Federation's willingness to make alliances with very questionable political entities, namely the Klingon Empire. I always felt the real core dilemma was swept under the rug in The Undiscovered Country, amid all the rhetoric about not fearing the future. "Let them die" should have been given a lot more serious consideration.


the standard for alliances is often "common interests," not "shared values." The latter is a much higher standard, and might leave the UFP with few allies. That was another silly aspect of INS, the whole "deck stacking" against the Son'a to show that they shouldn't be allies. As you say, the Klingon Empire isn't exactly the most enlightened power, so why are we supposed to frown at an alliance with the Son'a?

And that is an interesting convention that is ignored. The Klingons are a warrior culture that show up, inform the planet that they are now part of the Klingon Empire, enslave the population, take the resources, and call it a day. If the Organian example is any indication of a standard Klingon annexation, it is hardly an equitable relationship between the Klingons and their new aquisition.

But, the writers tended to gloss over that in favor of making the Klingons, at least on the surface, as honor-bound barbarians. It was a facet of Worf that should have been explored: Worf was raised as a human, instilled with human values and culture, even if he was exposed to Klingon ideals as much as possible. Imagine an episode where Worf, who wants to be more Klingon than the archetypical Klingon, has to reconsile his need to be Klingon with his upbringing. The Enterprise shows up to trade with a neutral planet, meanwhile the Klingons show up and simply take the place, do their mass executions and enslavement, and Worf has to decide which is his way: the human, and by extension Federation, ideal of self determination for everyone involved or the Klingon way of might makes right.
 
And that is an interesting convention that is ignored. The Klingons are a warrior culture that show up, inform the planet that they are now part of the Klingon Empire, enslave the population, take the resources, and call it a day. If the Organian example is any indication of a standard Klingon annexation, it is hardly an equitable relationship between the Klingons and their new aquisition.

But, the writers tended to gloss over that in favor of making the Klingons, at least on the surface, as honor-bound barbarians. It was a facet of Worf that should have been explored: Worf was raised as a human, instilled with human values and culture, even if he was exposed to Klingon ideals as much as possible. Imagine an episode where Worf, who wants to be more Klingon than the archetypical Klingon, has to reconsile his need to be Klingon with his upbringing. The Enterprise shows up to trade with a neutral planet, meanwhile the Klingons show up and simply take the place, do their mass executions and enslavement, and Worf has to decide which is his way: the human, and by extension Federation, ideal of self determination for everyone involved or the Klingon way of might makes right.

But why would the Prime Directive look upon a planet that couldn't protect itself from a poacher any differently than a planet that couldn't protect itself from an asteroid strike or some other malady? Either it means non-interference or it doesn't you can't pick and choose.
 
Let's assume the Prime Directive doesn't apply. Planet Druidia has warp capabilities. The Enterprise shows up to sign a trade agreement for 1,000,000 cases of Perri-Air. While Picard is waxing poetic about how fantastic life in the Federation is to King Roland, the Klingons show up and simply say "guess what. Y'all belong to the Klingon Empire now, bitches," and vaporize a city or three to help along the negotiation process.

Now, Picard might make a frantic plea to the Klingon commander about whatever he'll speachify about, but he isn't going to jeapordize the alliance over a neutral planet, so Picard sends word to his bosses, wrings his hands, pontificates to his officers about the Prime Directive, intersteller relations, peace, the merits of Chateau Picard '48 over the '49, and how grand it is living in the Federation now that humans have eliminated greed/lust/sloth/wrath/envy/gluttony/pride from the human psyche.

But there's poor Worf. He wants to be a "real" Klingon so bad he can taste it. He's read all the books about Klingon honor, seen the DVDs of Klingon Martial Arts and practiced them, and just insists he's a "real" Klingon at heart. Then he sees the real Klingons in action. He watches them show up and crush Planet Druidia, watches them do the mass executions, watches them plunder the joint, watches them set up the branch office of the Klingon Tourist Department, and then remembers the human way of doing business which doesn't involve rounding up 3,000 people and turning them into componant subatomic particles when one guy spray paints "Klingons Go Home" on the side of a building.

So Worf is confronted with the reality of the Klingon Empire and is forced to ask if he really really really wants to be a Klingon after all or if he just wants to be another human with bad latex on his head. And because we bought so many, we can throw in another moral dilemma FOR FREE! That's right, for free. Act now and we'll throw in out heroes asking themselves why the Federation would even ally themselves with interstellar empires like the Klingons when they act like that. But only if you order int he next fifteen minutes.

Instead, we got Sheriff Worf versus Data and Sons.

The point is, the writers had a lot of great opportunities to put the characters in real bad situations where there wasn't a winning solution and didn't. Kirk may not have belived in the no win scenario, but he was willing to turn Neural into Vietnam. Picard and Co never got put into a situation where there were no good guys but still had to act, even if the solution was to just pick which end of the shit sandwich to start eating first.
 
The point is, the writers had a lot of great opportunities to put the characters in real bad situations where there wasn't a winning solution and didn't.

The Next Gen version of the Prime Directive was designed to keep the Federation from having to make those kinds of decisions. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but it is what it is...
 
The point is, the writers had a lot of great opportunities to put the characters in real bad situations where there wasn't a winning solution and didn't.

The Next Gen version of the Prime Directive was designed to keep the Federation from having to make those kinds of decisions. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but it is what it is...


yeah, the TNG PD short-circuits good stories.


Then it replaces them with monstrous ones like "homeward" or "pen pals"

the TOS-era one was a decent idea though, as long as it's not too rigid and makes allowances for pragmatism
 
The point is, the writers had a lot of great opportunities to put the characters in real bad situations where there wasn't a winning solution and didn't.

The Next Gen version of the Prime Directive was designed to keep the Federation from having to make those kinds of decisions. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but it is what it is...

But even with the Prime Directive straitjacket for the writers, it is possible to put the characters in that situation. The Enterprise can't help Planet Druidia from the Klingons. Worf still has to deal with the "well THIS is what it means to be a Klingon. Do I really want it after all?" dilemma. The officers still have to ask themselves "why are we in an alliance with the Klingons if this is how they really are?"

Put Acting Ensign Crusher in charge of a detail on some planet. The Enterprise gets called away, something happens and Crusher has to decide who lives and who dies. The Enterprise doesn't make it back in time and Crusher not only has to make and carry out the decision, but has to cope with it afterwards.

Picard is asked to mediate in a trade dispute. He thinks side A has a better claim, but side B threatens to sell something important to the Romulans if he sides with side A. Side A gets wind of it and says they'll sell their something important to the Romulans if he rules for side B.

Crusher treats a patient from a Federation colony. She finds out he has space AIDS. There is no cure and she can't come up with one. She wants to respect patient confidentiallity, but she needs to inform the planet health officials. But if she does, her patient will be ostrasized in his society for his disease. What does she do?

It isn't that hard to come up with situations where there are no winners, only varying degree of losing, even using the writer's constraints of the Prime Directive and technobabble.
 
they've done stories like the examples you suggest. ENT has an episode with T'Pol that's a lot like the Crusher scenario.

And Worf faced the choices you suggest in "heart of glory" and "redemption."
 
Face it, the Next Gen version of the Prime Directive simply sucks balls.
 
The Prime Directive only sucks when you see it as an absolute. It is not.

I can't believe in the history of the Federation people have not gotten off after breaking the Prime Directive. Starfleet is not so closed-minded.

And I've always felt the Directive is a good policy because it makes us question our motives before interfering with a culture. It prevents us from just jumping in without giving much thought to the consequences of our actions.
 
And that is an interesting convention that is ignored. The Klingons are a warrior culture that show up, inform the planet that they are now part of the Klingon Empire, enslave the population, take the resources, and call it a day. If the Organian example is any indication of a standard Klingon annexation, it is hardly an equitable relationship between the Klingons and their new aquisition.

But, the writers tended to gloss over that in favor of making the Klingons, at least on the surface, as honor-bound barbarians. It was a facet of Worf that should have been explored: Worf was raised as a human, instilled with human values and culture, even if he was exposed to Klingon ideals as much as possible. Imagine an episode where Worf, who wants to be more Klingon than the archetypical Klingon, has to reconsile his need to be Klingon with his upbringing. The Enterprise shows up to trade with a neutral planet, meanwhile the Klingons show up and simply take the place, do their mass executions and enslavement, and Worf has to decide which is his way: the human, and by extension Federation, ideal of self determination for everyone involved or the Klingon way of might makes right.

But why would the Prime Directive look upon a planet that couldn't protect itself from a poacher any differently than a planet that couldn't protect itself from an asteroid strike or some other malady? Either it means non-interference or it doesn't you can't pick and choose.

Kirk didn't have that problem :)

Face it, the Next Gen version of the Prime Directive simply sucks balls.

Yeah I like the TOS PD more as its basically "Don't F@#k pre-spaceflight planets, but don't let them get taken over by the Commie-er Klingons or wiped-out by some horrible distaster if you can stop it preferably without them noticing anything."

Also

Let's assume the Prime Directive doesn't apply. Planet Druidia has warp capabilities. The Enterprise shows up to sign a trade agreement for 1,000,000 cases of Perri-Air. While Picard is waxing poetic about how fantastic life in the Federation is to King Roland, the Klingons show up and simply say "guess what. Y'all belong to the Klingon Empire now, bitches," and vaporize a city or three to help along the negotiation process.

Does anyone else miss these klingons? Because quite frankly they were way better when they were the ruthless bad guys who would stab you in the back with no problem at all.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.

Read the John M. Ford Star Trek novels and then get back to me. Besides they have more to them then space biker cavemen vikings who I can't believe have a functioning interstellar empire.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.

Read the John M. Ford Star Trek novels and then get back to me. Besides they have more to them then space biker cavemen vikings who I can't believe have a functioning interstellar empire.

You forget, historical vikings were among the more successful political units which existed.

And, back then, humanity was not dumber than today.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.

Read the John M. Ford Star Trek novels and then get back to me.

I did, not impressed.

Besides they have more to them then space biker cavemen vikings who I can't believe have a functioning interstellar empire.

They're no dumber than any humans, just rowdier and violent (again, no worse than most humans). Nothing about them suggests "Cavemen" either.

And like Edit_XYZ said, historical Vikings were one of the better seafaring Empires to exist.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.

Read the John M. Ford Star Trek novels and then get back to me.

I did, not impressed.

Besides they have more to them then space biker cavemen vikings who I can't believe have a functioning interstellar empire.

They're no dumber than any humans, just rowdier and violent (again, no worse than most humans). Nothing about them suggests "Cavemen" either.

And like Edit_XYZ said, historical Vikings were one of the better seafaring Empires to exist.


nice to see I'm not the only one not impressed by Mr. Ford's novels.
 
TOS Klingons were just generic bad guys, if it weren't for Jon Colicos and Micheal Ansara's acting ability there'd be nothing to them at all.

Read the John M. Ford Star Trek novels and then get back to me.

I did, not impressed.

Besides they have more to them then space biker cavemen vikings who I can't believe have a functioning interstellar empire.

They're no dumber than any humans, just rowdier and violent (again, no worse than most humans).

Except for shouting "FOR HONOR!" or something similar every third sentence. Not to mention their aparent dislike of anything not related to fighting.

Nothing about them suggests "Cavemen" either.

You should check out the TMP versions and tell that with a straight face.

And like Edit_XYZ said, historical Vikings were one of the better seafaring Empires to exist.

Okay I will conceed that point.
 
Except for shouting "FOR HONOR!" or something similar every third sentence. Not to mention their aparent dislike of anything not related to fighting.

Not always, that's a generalization. Besides, rowdy patriotic humans scream out stuff similar too.

Not to mention their aparent dislike of anything not related to fighting.

Check out the Klingon Chef and Klingon lawyer. The kitchen and court-room are their battlefields, and the metaphor makes total sense.

You should check out the TMP versions and tell that with a straight face.
So because they have bigger foreheads and talk in a language unlike ours, that makes them like neanderthals? Racist much?

Turning it around, they probably see us as a bunch of weak monkey-men with no tough skin.
 
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