This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite haunted

[You_Will_Fail]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

Is that true?

Wouldn't the children just get transported into space since Terok Nor is no longer in Bajoran orbit in the future?

Yes its true, I read it in an interview with one of the writers a few months back. As for your question about them being transported into space......wut.
It was a story that would be an allegory of the holocaust/experiments on children, but apparently they couldn't get it to work so they scrapped it.

 

[tafkats]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

It was a story that would be an allegory of the holocaust/experiments on children, but apparently they couldn't get it to work so they scrapped it.

Trek writers giving up on an episode idea just because they couldn't get the premise to work? That's a novel idea...

 

[Sandoval]

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Yes its true, I read it in an interview with one of the writers a few months back. As for your question about them being transported into space......wut.

The word you were looking for was 'what'.

As far as them being transported into space, if you beamed these children 'through time' as you describe then they'd end up in Bajoran orbit - you couldn't beam them from the Occupation-era Terok Nor to 2370s Deep Space Nine since the station is on the other side of the Bajoran system well outside transporter-range.

Wut...

 

[WarpCore]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

When Bajorans die their pagh joins the Prophets in the Celestial Temple. No ghosts.

Yar, da cannons got rid of the ghosts.

Indiscretion
DUKAT: No doubt. But if memory's correct, Bajorans are much more concerned with the souls of the dead than they are with the physical remains. How did Kai Meressa put it? What remains after death is but a shell, a sign that the pagh has begun its final journey to the Prophets. Please, Major, don't make this any more difficult for me than it already is.

Yes its true, I read it in an interview with one of the writers a few months back. As for your question about them being transported into space......wut.

The word you were looking for was 'what'.

As far as them being transported into space, if you beamed these children 'through time' as you describe then they'd end up in Bajoran orbit - you couldn't beam them from the Occupation-era Terok Nor to 2370s Deep Space Nine since the station is on the other side of the Bajoran system well outside transporter-range.

Wut...

It would all depend on how your frame or point of reference factors into 'calculations'.

Even if the station hadn't been moved from orbit, or if it was all being done on a planet, or any other time we've seen time travel in science fiction, it's not as if the relative position of place A to ... what? the center of the galaxy/universe/some pulsar?... at time t0 is going to ever or at least reliably be at the same relative position at time t1. Terok Nor would always be on the other side of the Bajoran system "half a year in the future" due to the planet revolving around its sun.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

Yes its true, I read it in an interview with one of the writers a few months back. As for your question about them being transported into space......wut.

The word you were looking for was 'what'.

As far as them being transported into space, if you beamed these children 'through time' as you describe then they'd end up in Bajoran orbit - you couldn't beam them from the Occupation-era Terok Nor to 2370s Deep Space Nine since the station is on the other side of the Bajoran system well outside transporter-range.

Wut...

Do you not watch Star Trek or something? Or are you the kind of person who nitpicks every episode? That's just a bafflingly silly question.
Anyway, I said "send into the future", I didn't mention beaming.

 

[The Dominion]

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[Ghost Bones]

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There's no such thing as ghosts.

Also, there was a proposed plot of DS9 where it would appear to be haunted but it turned out that the Cardassians had experimented with Bajoran Children on Terrok Nor to send them into the future to collect information. However the experiments weren't very successful and the ghosts were actually those of those Bajoran children

I think that sounds pretty good.

 

[apenpaap]

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[Bisz]

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It amuses me to no end, and by that I mean in makes me groan and roll my eyes, when sci-fi fans, who enjoy outlandish and entirely made up stories which prominently feature science so advanced it might as well be magic, lash out at anyone who believes in something different than they do. I guess the idea of being open minded wasn't preached enough on TNG et al. for some people to clue in to it.

 

[Sandoval]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

Do you not watch Star Trek or something? Or are you the kind of person who nitpicks every episode? That's just a bafflingly silly question.

No need to get your knickers in a twist, just because the question baffles you that doesn't necessarily make it a stupid question.

Anyway, I said "send into the future", I didn't mention beaming.

The question still stands - how do these children go from Occupation-era Terok Nor all the way across the Bajoran system to 2370s Deep Space Nine?

To be honest I think you've made this whole concept up yourself and are becoming increasingly annoyed now that the jig is up.

 

[zar]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

The irony is in the fact that you're arguing about the idea that one tiny suggestion within this universe cannot possibly exist while ignoring the fact that NONE OF IT EXISTS.

You must have missed the part in the OP where he says he believes in ghosts in the real universe, not the Star Trek universe:

when they build the new Freedom Tower where the World Trade Center used to be, I know I wouldn't wanna work in that building cause I can imagine it would have quite a lot of paranormal activity, or just a general feeling of sadness from the collective consciousness of its spirits.

 

[T'Girl]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

when they build the new Freedom Tower where the World Trade Center used to be

The actual "footprints" of the original two towers, are considered by many to be hallow and sacred, and so the new tower will not be built in the exact same spot, but instead a distance away. Where the two towers once stood there are two memorial fountains.

And believing in "ghosts" makes more sense than believing in "god(s)".

And believing in both, the Holy Ghost, makes the most sense of all.

Wouldn't the children just get transported into space since Terok Nor is no longer in Bajoran orbit in the future?

If the equipment remained on DS9, and was active all this time, then the spirits of the children, the non-corporal consciousnesses of the children, could have remained in the vicinity of the equipment, bound to it, and therefor DS9, after it was moved.

Why should ghosts of Bajoran victims terrorize Starfleet and Bajoran personel?

In terms of a possible story, the children would "terrorize" people aboard DS9 in order to accomplish a goal.

Getting someone to turn off the equipment.

Bajorans clearly believe in ghosts because they have a word for them - borhyas.

Humans have a word for ghosts, too! It's ghosts!

Klingon name for a spirit is Jat'yIn, the Ocampas is Comra. And Vulcans have the word Katra, the disembodied spirit or living essence.

The existence of Katras, in the Star Trek universe, are a fact.

There's no such thing as ghosts.

Okay, then in the TOS episode Return To Tomorrow, what are Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa, if not ghosts?

 

[Sci]

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Ghosts? How old are you, four? Don't let those con-artists on the Sci-Fi Chanel fool you, ghost do not exist.

Rather condescending and with a hint of smug know-it-all, don't you think?

People are free to believe in whatever they wish. And believing in "ghosts" makes more sense than believing in "god(s)".

True. People who are worried about God's wrath should be informed that is no such thing as God, too.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

There's no such thing as ghosts.

Also, there was a proposed plot of DS9 where it would appear to be haunted but it turned out that the Cardassians had experimented with Bajoran Children on Terrok Nor to send them into the future to collect information. However the experiments weren't very successful and the ghosts were actually those of those Bajoran children

Ghosts? How old are you, four? Don't let those con-artists on the Sci-Fi Chanel fool you, ghost do not exist. And as for the post above mine, I can see why that idea died in its cradle. It probably would have been one of the most trite, corny, and heavy-handed Star Trek episodes to ever exist, far worse than even Voyager's Memorial.

Incidentely, on Star Trek Online, a player has actually realized this story with the Foundry (the tool for User generated Content). If any of you play the game you should check out the mission. It is quite excellent, and if teh show had done it in a similar way it would have succeeded I think.
The mission in the game is called "The Spirits of Ramok Nor".

 

[od0_ital]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

Humans have a word for ghosts, too! It's ghosts!

Klingon name for a spirit is Jat'yIn, the Ocampas is Comra. And Vulcans have the word Katra, the disembodied spirit or living essence.

The existence of Katras, in the Star Trek universe, are a fact.

But ya didn't see a spectre of Spock runnnin' 'round did ya? Nope...just his memories, and some personality traits, that gave McCoy issues.

So, a katra is still not a ghost.

There's no such thing as ghosts.

Okay, then in the TOS episode Return To Tomorrow, what are Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa, if not ghosts?

Alien intelligence kept alive through technology.

 

[TenLubak]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

I read STATION RAGE by Diane Carey Deep Space #13 novel and the station sure did feel haunted during the opening chapters of this one! A huge old station with so many section unused anymore, with many horrific crimes, and deaths prevailing throughout! ?Haunted? Don White- Darn Rite!

ADDENDUM: After confirming this with Jake Sisko a resident of the space staion Deep Space, he has confirmed that the station is indeed haunted especially in the areas of the old mining ore processing units, and the cental engineering core near the dingus.

 

[Sandoval]

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Okay, then in the TOS episode Return To Tomorrow, what are Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa, if not ghosts?

Alien intelligence kept alive through technology.

Nicely done Odo.

 

[Lindley]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

Even if the station hadn't been moved from orbit, or if it was all being done on a planet, or any other time we've seen time travel in science fiction, it's not as if the relative position of place A to ... what? the center of the galaxy/universe/some pulsar?... at time t0 is going to ever or at least reliably be at the same relative position at time t1. Terok Nor would always be on the other side of the Bajoran system "half a year in the future" due to the planet revolving around its sun.

When we walk across a room, we have a notion of moving from "here" to "there" even though "there" is no longer actually the same place by the time we reach it. Why? Gravity. As our planet moves, its gravity brings us "along for the ride".

Perhaps there is a similar force (or the same one!) which would act on a path between two points in time.

 

[T'Girl]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

... Vulcans have the word Katra, the disembodied spirit or living essence.

But ya didn't see a spectre of Spock runnnin' 'round did ya?

One of the descriptions of a ghost is a invisible presence, the Vulcan Katra is definitely a "presence."

There's no such thing as ghosts.

... what are Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa, if not ghosts?

Alien intelligence kept alive through technology.

And what technology was that? The receptacles, you say? There no indication in the episode that the receptacles were technological devices. And Sargon and Thalassa continued to exist after the receptacles were destroyed.

Their non-corporeal consciousness, their spirits continued, no machine was needed.

Ghosts are said to haunt particular locations, objects, or people. In the story, the three spirits were first in the receptacles (that would be a object), and at the end of the episode Sargon and Thalassa were in the Enterprise itself. A haunted Starship.

 

[od0_ital]

Re: This may sound silly, but I can imagine DS9 must've been quite hau

... Vulcans have the word Katra, the disembodied spirit or living essence.

But ya didn't see a spectre of Spock runnnin' 'round did ya?

One of the descriptions of a ghost is a invisible presence, the Vulcan Katra is definitely a "presence."

But how do ya know it was invisible? No one did a CAT scan/MRI or its equivalent on McCoy while he carried the katra. There could have been a physical change in McCoy's gray matter because of how the katra was housed in a non-Vulcanoid brain.

... what are Sargon, Henoch and Thalassa, if not ghosts?

Alien intelligence kept alive through technology.

And what technology was that? The receptacles, you say? There no indication in the episode that the receptacles were technological devices.[/quote]

Except for the way they were obviously not natural spheres, but something created by the aliens prior to the loss of their humanoid bodies.

.... and at the end of the episode Sargon and Thalassa were in the Enterprise itself. A haunted Starship.

And the ship would be a machine used by alien intelligence to prolong their existence for a few moments. They didn't stay within the big E, ya know.