Exactly, another one of the problems I had with it. Instead of looking like a powerful technological marvel capable of propelling a large ship at 100s of times the speed of light it looked more like the steam room on the Titanic.
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Exactly, another one of the problems I had with it. Instead of looking like a powerful technological marvel capable of propelling a large ship at 100s of times the speed of light it looked more like the steam room on the Titanic.
No, there were no rivets visible on Federation starships in TOS.
When I first saw the movie, I had no idea it was even engineering. My first thought was waste recycling. Then to get people stuck and shot through big tubes? Yeah, great intellectual comedy. I hope there's a big Starfleet plumber's helper.
It's funny I didn't care one whit about the blue nacelles but the rivets are pissing me off.
Why can't they go with a modernized TOS style engine room? Justify it as all the brewery bits we saw in the first movie are now behind panels and such.
I love the warp core from TMP and STII. It might look like a lava-lamp, but for me it carries a feel of "future alien tech" and "so advanced that they feel safe working right up against the main reactor.
I love the warp core from TMP and STII. It might look like a lava-lamp, but for me it carries a feel of "future alien tech" and "so advanced that they feel safe working right up against the main reactor.
It makes no sense that any part of a 23rd-century starship’s engineering section would have giant tanks and valves (for liquid fuel?) — and look like a damn BREWERY!
Well, like I said, the tanks could probably be for deuterium or antimatter pods. That you can almost rationalize. But, still, the deep engineering scenes in a gigantic room filled with tanks, pips and such just didn't look or feel right as being part of a 23rd century starship.
...So... these some sort of "high tech" external hard drives?
It makes no sense that any part of a 23rd-century starship’s engineering section would have giant tanks and valves (for liquid fuel?) — and look like a damn BREWERY!
Looks about the same to me
Yes-- As others have said, Matt Jeffries (and NASA-- from the photos posted up-thread) had a practical reason for the streamlined design that put a lot of workings securely stowed behind removable panels.
I kind of do like the idea that there are more "industrial" looking sections, but I would think that (in my idea of Starfleet tech of this era) these areas are not regularly worked in... only when there is a problem when people need to crawl down in there. I think immediately of the "look" of the engineering area that Chief Tyrol had to go down into on NuBSG to work on the jump engines in one episode.
I would like to see a more streamlined, sleek, yet-giving-the-impression-of-power (maybe even the addition of the infamous (?) glowing warp core) centralized control area.
Another thing, the brewery gave me a feeling of expansive machinery, but NOT of any sort of centralized and powerful throbbing (or humming) heart of the ship.
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Looks about the same to me
Notice how one looks like a clean, advanced laboratory with all the big machinery behind protective barriers, and the other looks like a cluttered warehouse with steam pipes everywhere.
It makes no sense that any part of a 23rd-century starship’s engineering section would have giant tanks and valves (for liquid fuel?) — and look like a damn BREWERY!
Looks about the same to me
Actually looks a lot different to me. The '09 set looks like a water-treatment planet, '60s set looks like part of a massive reactor control room. First time I watched '09, I immeaditely thought "WTH? Did they shoot this is a water plant? Is this suppose to be part of life support?"
It makes no sense that any part of a 23rd-century starship’s engineering section would have giant tanks and valves (for liquid fuel?) — and look like a damn BREWERY!
Looks about the same to me
Yeahhhh...
There's a vast difference between those two things the movie took it to absurd levels and looks more like a factory than it does a starship.
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All of these years I've been so wrong! What have I've been thinking!
My whole world is collapsing, I mean... I mean... What's next?! What's next?!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That, or, I'd expect a starship to look like something I would immediately recognize as something that's clearly not a starship.
There's a difference between "what this thing really looks like" and "finding something that's not immediately obvious is something other than what we claim it is."
All of these years I've been so wrong! What have I've been thinking!
My whole world is collapsing, I mean... I mean... What's next?! What's next?!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That, or, I'd expect a starship to look like something I would immediately recognize as something that's clearly not a starship.
There's a difference between "what this thing really looks like" and "finding something that's not immediately obvious is something other than what we claim it is."
Your basis for comparison is other made up starships. The notion that a starship engineering section is too industrial looking is ridiculous. Most of the technology doesn't even exist.
Who the fuck is to say what a warp core should look like, or if they should have catwalks and metal grating. Give me a fucking break
Who the fuck is to say what a warp core should look like, or if they should have catwalks and metal grating. Give me a fucking break
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It's less "what a starship looks like" and more "what a 21st century factory looks like."
I can't look at something that is clearly a present-day factory and simply accept it as being a futuristic starship -especially when other movies and shows have established what starships look like.
When I look at the interiors of the Enterprise in ST09 it's hard for me to see anything but a factory it looks every bit like a factory, hell I think early in the movie when Captain Robeau is walking to the shuttle the floors are damp like he's in a steam room or something.
It looks like a factory because it is a factory and if it looks like a factory it's harder to accept it as a "futuristic spaceship" because it's clearly a factory.
It's not about what a starship might look like it's about what a factory does look like.
It's less "what a starship looks like" and more "what a 21st century factory looks like."
I can't look at something that is clearly a present-day factory and simply accept it as being a futuristic starship -especially when other movies and shows have established what starships look like.
When I look at the interiors of the Enterprise in ST09 it's hard for me to see anything but a factory it looks every bit like a factory, hell I think early in the movie when Captain Robeau is walking to the shuttle the floors are damp like he's in a steam room or something.
It looks like a factory because it is a factory and if it looks like a factory it's harder to accept it as a "futuristic spaceship" because it's clearly a factory.
It's not about what a starship might look like it's about what a factory does look like.
Actually, I worked on the renovation project for that plant. It's a 20th century factory.
Of course, your point remains valid. It amuses me that Doctor Who has done a better job redressing factories as spaceships than Trek 2009 did. Kindof embarrassing, that.
