Agreed. I don't care about the Giants one way or the other, but the Patriots are Satan's children.
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Agreed. I don't care about the Giants one way or the other, but the Patriots are Satan's children.
That's the best part. It'll cement Brady's place as the best QB of his generation, and that is an excellent thing. Im sorry, watching the Pats carry on while the Colts have imploded (though I feel for Peyton, no one wants an injury that could destroy someones career) has been one of the highlights of the season.
I don't get why the Pats are considered so evil (well I do, but I want someone to explain it to me). Cause they don't provide bulletin board material? They always compliment the other team before and after a game. Why are they the bad guys when they are playing a team that has had a player obnoxiously guarantee a victory at every stage this post season?
Since you don't NEED me to explain it to you, I won't. But you can't honestly tell me you've never seen Belichick's patented .0005 second handshake?
So the reason for Patriots hate is that there's a certain level of disappointment in the length of time Belichick spends shaking hands at the end of the game? Pretty weak sauce on that one. Don't even have to call BS, it shoots itself down. If Belichick shook hands until it got awkward and creepy, there'd still be Patriots butthurt, so I don't that's the reason.
More fun because in the couple worst examples of Bill not shaking hands for the appropirate length of time, there's been stuff on NFL films and other 'behind the scenes' stuff showing him chatting it up before the game, even agreeing beforehand not to make a big deal out of the handshake after.
In fact, wasn't it the Ravens' coach that blew off a handshake completely once, and just got pissy and left the field instead (against the Pats)? Didn't seem to affect your opinion there. Forget what teams (49ers? Rams?) had a coach fistfight instead of a handshake this season...
Can we really just boil this down to the Patriots having been good for an extended run (pretty much the last 10-11 years), and wanting to root for someone 'new' to win? And because they've won so much (winning seasons even when not winning the Superbowl), pretty good chance they've beaten your favorite team recently. Perhaps by a lot, or multiple times.
There aren't a lot of bad seeds on the team, they don't generally run their mouths or talk shit, not generally dirty players, i mean, where's the problem again? Is it a Queer Eye thing, being offended that Bill dresses like a hobo during games? When it's not a ripped-up hoodie, he's got a puffy coat and a headband that look like a retarded 6 year old girl's, but that's more a reason to tease him than hate him.
And if it's a matter of wanting a new team to win, well, the Giants won more recently, as I'm constantly reminded by my buddy who's a big Giants fan.
There's a certain truth to Bill coming off like he thinks he's smarter than us, I'll grant that. Of course, he usually IS, but it's still frustrating. For example, the Ravens coach had a time out at the end of the game, the kicker was late running out, and shit was going badly. Why not use the timeout? And on the other side, most idiot copycat coaches call a timeout there anyway to "ice" the kicker. In Bill's interview, he said it looked like they were kinda rushed and not set well, so screw it, make them kick it. Pretty simple, but so many teams in the NFL are coached badly enough to screw those things up. That's kinda the whole NFL at this point, and what the patriots have made a legend doing. You don't always have to light it up and make outstanding plays. Generally, just try to play a fundamentally solid game, and don't screw up your assignments. The other teams are so badly coached, or the players are dumb/bad enough that most of the time, they will screw themselves over, and you just have to wait around long enough for them to make a mistake, and capitalize on it. Really, the league IS that simple. Most teams/coaches can't get out of their own way, and can't help but lose, all you have to do is not bail them out when they do it, and you'll win way more than you'll lose.
More fun because in the couple worst examples of Bill not shaking hands for the appropirate length of time, there's been stuff on NFL films and other 'behind the scenes' stuff showing him chatting it up before the game, even agreeing beforehand not to make a big deal out of the handshake after.
In fact, wasn't it the Ravens' coach that blew off a handshake completely once, and just got pissy and left the field instead (against the Pats)? Didn't seem to affect your opinion there. Forget what teams (49ers? Rams?) had a coach fistfight instead of a handshake this season...
Can we really just boil this down to the Patriots having been good for an extended run (pretty much the last 10-11 years), and wanting to root for someone 'new' to win? And because they've won so much (winning seasons even when not winning the Superbowl), pretty good chance they've beaten your favorite team recently. Perhaps by a lot, or multiple times.
There aren't a lot of bad seeds on the team, they don't generally run their mouths or talk shit, not generally dirty players, i mean, where's the problem again? Is it a Queer Eye thing, being offended that Bill dresses like a hobo during games? When it's not a ripped-up hoodie, he's got a puffy coat and a headband that look like a retarded 6 year old girl's, but that's more a reason to tease him than hate him.
And if it's a matter of wanting a new team to win, well, the Giants won more recently, as I'm constantly reminded by my buddy who's a big Giants fan.
There's a certain truth to Bill coming off like he thinks he's smarter than us, I'll grant that. Of course, he usually IS, but it's still frustrating. For example, the Ravens coach had a time out at the end of the game, the kicker was late running out, and shit was going badly. Why not use the timeout? And on the other side, most idiot copycat coaches call a timeout there anyway to "ice" the kicker. In Bill's interview, he said it looked like they were kinda rushed and not set well, so screw it, make them kick it. Pretty simple, but so many teams in the NFL are coached badly enough to screw those things up. That's kinda the whole NFL at this point, and what the patriots have made a legend doing. You don't always have to light it up and make outstanding plays. Generally, just try to play a fundamentally solid game, and don't screw up your assignments. The other teams are so badly coached, or the players are dumb/bad enough that most of the time, they will screw themselves over, and you just have to wait around long enough for them to make a mistake, and capitalize on it. Really, the league IS that simple. Most teams/coaches can't get out of their own way, and can't help but lose, all you have to do is not bail them out when they do it, and you'll win way more than you'll lose.
No, we can't boil it down to that. You see, my favorite team is the Indianapolis Colts. Sure, the Colts have only won one Super Bowl (and appeared in another) over the past 10 years, but they also had 9 consecutive seasons with 10+ wins and were the most winningest team of the last decade. They've traded wins back and forth with the Patriots. The Colts have won a lot of ballgames, and they don't get near the same amount of hate and venom that the Patriots get. You want to know why? The Colts have class.
Maybe its because Dungy was such a mild-mannered coach. Maybe its because Peyton is an "aww-shucks" type of guy. I don't have an answer for you. But there is an example of team that's good (or was good, rather) instead of winning the spygate/run up the score kind of way.
All of this and the fact that Indianapolis and New England used to be division rivals. That kind of heat doesn't go away just because they aren't playing at least twice a year like they once did.
Brings to mind the 180 I pulled when Tim Tebow turned pro. I could not stand him when he played for the University of Florida. But now that he's in the NFL and playing for a team I have no beef with and fond memories of during the Elway days, I want him to succeed. If Tom Brady were playing for most any other team besides New England (or Dallas or Pittsburgh), I would very likely be marveling at his success at the QB position.
So only twice before have two different QBs faced each other in the Superbowl more than once.
Terry Bradshaw and Roger Staubach faced off in two different Superbowl, and Troy Aikman faced Jim Kelly twice.
Bradshaw beat Stauback both times, and Aikman beat Kelly both times.
Manning and Brady will be only the third time two QBs have faced each other in a Superbowl twice, and the historical trend says Manning will win.
Terry Bradshaw and Roger Staubach faced off in two different Superbowl, and Troy Aikman faced Jim Kelly twice.
Bradshaw beat Stauback both times, and Aikman beat Kelly both times.
Manning and Brady will be only the third time two QBs have faced each other in a Superbowl twice, and the historical trend says Manning will win.
Haha, so much class that Bill Polian changed the rules so that his teams would match up better with the Patriots when he was on the rules committee.
I hate the class argument. What has Tom Brady done that Peyton Manning hasn't besides win multiple Superbowls?
And running up the score is bullshit. You want the Pats to score less...STOP THEM. It's the NFL, not pewee football.
I have to admit that I've always liked the Patriots. They're very good at what they do and they seem to be a very well-run organization. I realize that this is the opposite of most of you, but I rather enjoyed and, to a degree, respected what they did during Tommy and Billy's 2007 "Fuck You All Road Show". They went out, they played ball, and they were going to score on the other guys either until the clock ran out or until they figured out how to stop it. I can't stand players, coaches, or fans who bitch and moan about the score being run up, and I rather enjoyed the Pats going out and running roughshod over everyone, and was a little disappointed that they didn't win it all.
I won't make any bone about it- I would love for my Broncos to be run the same way as the Pats. They got a good system, you rarely see their players causing trouble in the real world, and on the off chance you hear about internal issues, those problems get nipped in the butt straight away.
I won't make any bone about it- I would love for my Broncos to be run the same way as the Pats. They got a good system, you rarely see their players causing trouble in the real world, and on the off chance you hear about internal issues, those problems get nipped in the butt straight away.
You're kidding, right? What this year has shown is exactly the opposite. Peyton was the only thing making the Colts good, and what happened when he went down? They fell apart like a house of cards. What happened when Brady went down for a year? Some slip in production, but overall business as usual (and Cassel hasn't exactly lit it up since). So let's see - one team can't do anything without their QB, one carries on hobbled but not destroyed without their QB. What does that tell us about which QB is better?
Yep, this is definitely helping Pats fans look more classy.
Oh, and fuck Tebow.
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We're definitely on the same page here. There's no such thing as running up the score. It's no more a sign of "poor sportsmanship" to me than an elaborate end zone celebration (which, IMO, is actually good for the game). There is, however such a thing as poor defense. I've seen games where one team scores a lot and then, just to be nice, quits throwing the ball. They then continue to score because the other team can't tackle anyone running with the ball. What is the superior team supposed to do then? Punt on 1st down?
How, by telling the truth?
Peyton going down proves that the Patriots system of interchangeable parts and value works better then the Colts system of building their entire offensive scheme around one player, because when he goes down, it shows how badly the rest of the team is built. All it proves is that the Patriots, overall, have been a been a better constructed team from top to bottom.
The Colts sucking this year was only partially on the lack of Peyton Manning, but it was also due to their inability to execute most, if not all aspects of the game. I'm not sure even his greatness could have gotten them over a .500 record. They were that bad.
Im sorry, but right now the Manning/Brady argument is pretty much neck and neck, but it Brady wins another Superbowl, it's pretty much over. The numbers are close enough that you can't overlook 3 (possibly 4) Superbowl wins, to 1.
I think it tells us more about which organization/front office is more competent than it does which quarterback is better. The Patriots were able to put together a winning season without Brady because they were better prepared than the Colts were. And it's not like the Patriots were still dominant without Brady; they went from a 16-0 season where they reached the Super Bowl to an 11-5 season where they missed the playoffs. That's a pretty significant dropoff, IMO. But it wasn't as bad as it could have been because the Patriots didn't put all of their eggs in one basket like the Colts did.
That's what they said 5 years ago.'Tis destiny, I'm afraid.
While I think you were right a couple of years ago, it's hard to tell right now. Certainly, last time Brady went down, it was shown that they could play well without him. But their defense has fallen significantly since then. I wonder, if Brady were to go down next season, if they could play well. Certainly, they'd do better than the Colts did, but no one knows for sure. People thought the Colts would be better than they were (for some reason, their defense became far worse).
Anyway, my point is I think you might be right, but it's really hard to tell until it happens and this Pats team doesn't have some of the strengths they had the last time this happened.
Well, I think another part of it is the coaching. I'm sure Jim Caldwell is a nice guy, but as a coach, he's no Bill Belichick.
The Raiders make a huge mistake by firing Jackson and to rectify it, they screw Denver. It's official. There is no god. Tebow was Tebowing for nothing. We are now the first team since the AFL/NFL merger to have 7 DC's in 7 years. I really hope our defensive improvement this year had more to do with Fox than Allen, otherwise we're doomed to another year of defensive mediocracy.
And we're still stuck with McCoy.
And we're still stuck with McCoy.
I do actually agree. Back in 08 it was still a pretty veteran defense. However, Belichick has rebuilt it on the fly out of necessity (it was getting pretty damn old), and Brady and the offense has been elite enough to still make them a top tier team.
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