Why hate on Jake/Cirroc??

[Photon]

Now this just borders on stupid. HE was a friggin' kid that grew up into a fine young man.

What should the script for Jake be? Stay in the corner and play w/your whiz-bang computers?

I certainly understood the criticism for The Boy and the Borg Brats,,,,But Jake, didn't try to be super-duper SF intello-geek, he just tried to show the life of a future kid.

Gah, hate DS9 for other things, but not Jake. I'm out.

 

[JB2005]

Jake was never really a main character in his own right...for the majority of DS9 he is Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Episode...

I don't think he was necessary as a main character personally - when someone like Garak would be far more appropriate!

 

[Sandoval]

Loads of reasons.

Speaking personally I didn't like the way he used to drink orange juice. I found it irritating.

 

[JB2005]

He was a bit of a dick to Nog in that episode where he wants to buy a Baseball Card -

"Hey, where I come from, we don't need money, we're better than that. You've carefully saved money all your life, now I'm going to spend it for a thing I could easily replicate"

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I didn't like Jake because I felt the actor was bad. He was always hunched over and doing that annoying laugh when delivering his lines. I just didn't like Cirroc's performances at all.

 

[Sandoval]

Just another irritating Star Trek child from the long line of irritating Star Trek children.

All the ones from TOS, Wesley Crusher, the girl with the horns in Voyager, the Borg children.

It's tradition.

 

[Damask]

I don't get it either. I thought he was fine. I thought he had great chemistry with Brooks.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I thought Jake was a very likable character. If anything, I found Nog to be extremely annoying.

 

[Ln X]

Jake was decent because he was an anti-Wesley in terms of character. Anything remotely different to Wesley is preferable. Nah I liked Cirroc Lofton's performance and he really shined in The Visitor and Nor the Battle to the Strong. Those were some great performances where he both shined as the character and as an actor.

Unfortunately Jake became rather redundant in seasons 6 and 7 but oh well...

 

[Photon]

He was a bit of a dick to Nog in that episode where he wants to buy a Baseball Card -

"Hey, where I come from, we don't need money, we're better than that. You've carefully saved money all your life, now I'm going to spend it for a thing I could easily replicate"

If jake was a dick, then nog was an ass hole + a very shit covered perineal area. HuMAN chew my food, lets get up early and work out Jake so I can show you up b/c I'm SF cadet-ass hole. Please

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Both Jake and Nog had their asshole adolescent moments which was a welcome relief from Wesley. I thought they transitioned them from annoying kids to awkward teens to young adults very well over the course of the series. I'm not particularly fond of Jake but as far as Star Trek kids go he was one of the better ones.

 

[RoJoHen]

I was relatively indifferent to Jake. I did like that he didn't automatically feel the need to join Starfleet (sometimes in Trek it feels like Starfleet is the only career option for people!), but I mostly liked him for the relationship he had with his dad. Making Sisko a family man was a great departure from what we'd seen before in Starfleet Captains, so I liked that Jake existed for that reason.

And to be fair, compared to a bunch of real teenagers I know, Jake really wasn't that annoying.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Making Sisko a family man was a great departure from what we'd seen before in Starfleet Captains, so I liked that Jake existed for that reason.

That's a great point and it also seemed to make Kasidy more than just Sisko's girlfriend as she had her own relationship with Jake as a step mom he was looking forward to. Sisko also had a REAL Dad that was still alive and used to show Sisko in the son relationship. Unlike all the other lonely Captains married to their ship we got to see Sisko the widower, Sisko the father, Sisko the son, Sisko the husband. This would be less possible if DS9 wasn't on a space station.

 

[Worf'sParmach]

I was relatively indifferent to Jake. I did like that he didn't automatically feel the need to join Starfleet (sometimes in Trek it feels like Starfleet is the only career option for people!)

I think this made Jake interesting, but also made him kind of useless. He wasn't going to Startfleet, which seperated him from Wesley "I want be just like Captain Picard" Crusher. But then it made him kind of pointless. A writer? Um... ok. Nog's journey into Starfleet became the more interesting coming of age tale. In the end Jake was just Nog's wing man when I think it was supposed to be the other way around.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I think a career with more ambition would've been nice--just not Starfleet ambition. I mean...do people in the 24th century Federation not have to work a day job before they make it big?

Overall, though, I liked watching Jake grow up. (I admit, though, that it also helped that I was of the appropriate age while the series was on the air to have a crush on him, too. Now that I'm older, I can safely say the adult Cirroc Lofton is still very handsome.)

 

[Thestral]

I never thought there was much hate for Jake. I wish he'd had more to do, as I always generally liked him.

 

[Navaros]

I like Lofton as an actor, after Season 1. In Season 1 his acting is not very good IMO, but it became great by the end of Season 2.

I'm glad that they didn't make Jake into a Wesley or Nog rehash, but I don't think making him a writer was a good way to go, either.

TV shows are for showing, not tellling. Jake's writing career is boring because all they ever did was say how great of a writer he was, but never actually showed why he was a great writer.

DS9 had the same problem with Jadzia and all of her past lives, which are equally boring to hear about due to the exact same principle.

 

[Relayer1]

I generally dislike kids in sci-fi shows - it always seems a bit like the 'funny' robot / animal in cartoons.

However, Jake is an exception - he added a lot to Sisko's character and genuinely went somewhere during the run of the show. Joining Starfleet would have been too obvious...

 

[CaptainMatt]

I would not go quite so far as to call Jake another Wesley Crusher.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Jake is easily the most likeable and realistically fleshed out "Star Trek child" in the entire Trek pantheon - hands down. Lofton developed some pretty decent acting chops throughout DS9's run, turning in some extremely believable performances as he matured.