Sherlock - Series 2

[Gov Kodos]

Unless Jim is a twin

Or really was an actor being manipulated by the real Moriarty instead of Sherlock. As they said, the best lies are the ones full of truths.

I wouldn't be surprised, if Holmes thinks that the Moriarty on the roof was an actor or imposter for the real one, and that the next series either has the real Moriarty revealed in some way for future series or is actually caught by the end of the third series. I just can't find Moriarty killing himself to beat Holmes believable.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unless Jim is a twin

Or really was an actor being manipulated by the real Moriarty instead of Sherlock. As they said, the best lies are the ones full of truths.

I wouldn't be surprised, if Holmes thinks that the Moriarty on the roof was an actor or imposter for the real one, and that the next series either has the real Moriarty revealed in some way for future series or is actually caught by the end of the third series. I just can't find Moriarty killing himself to beat Holmes believable.

I have to admit, I was hoping that the lady reporter was the real Moriarty.

 

[Gov Kodos]

That might yet happen, not likely, but maybe. Or Moriarty turns out to be Mrs Hudson.

 

[Gepard]

I wouldn't be surprised, if Holmes thinks that the Moriarty on the roof was an actor or imposter for the real one, and that the next series either has the real Moriarty revealed in some way for future series or is actually caught by the end of the third series.

It's been quite a while since I saw the first episode of series 1 so my memory's not the best, but wasn't there some implication then that "Moriarty" was an acronym or the name of an organization? I thought that there was, but they just sort of dropped it.

 

[Samurai8472]

Ofcourse with Moffat the easiest solution is always the way out

He did it with faking the doctors death

He found a simple exit for Sherlock and Watsons predicament
With the bomb and snipers

Then faked Irene adlers death twice

-body in morgue
-beheading

For Sherlock I think he took a drug to numb himself so he wouldn't feel the fall

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ That is what I actually think, which is why he went to Molly.

 

[MacLeod]

A fall from that height would likely kill you whether or not you had taken a drug so you wouldn't feel it.

Though I do agree perhaps that the Moriarty we saw was an actor. Wht not have the female cop as the real moriarty.

 

[Starkers]

There are instances of small children falling from great heights who survive purely because they don't realise they're in danger and tense up, but I'd be amazed if that was the case on this occasion, even with chemical help to relax him he's gonna take a lot of damage, nothing was evident when we saw him in the graveyard.

 

[intrinsical]

Like a poster said above, Sherlock positioned Watson so he couldn't see the entire fall. He probably jumped into a dumpster or something soft to cushion his fall then lied down on the pavement. Molly provided the fake blood and perhaps a drug to slow down or stop Sherlock's heart beat.

At least, that's my guess. Oh and I just saw Steven Moffat's tweet, there will be a series 3. Yay!

 

[Pingfah]

^ I partly agree. Sherlock had obviously had time to prepare this whole thing and had predicted it somewhat as evidenced by his earlier conversation with Molly.

But he has John stand in a spot that specifically prevented him from seeing the impact spot. I don't think Sherlock really fell. I think everybody at the scene was an actor, hired to quickly arrange the scene, add the fake blood and to keep John from getting close enough to inspect the body for long enough to verify that it wasn't really Sherlock. Also they are careful not to show a direct line of sight from Holmes position (as he jumps) to Watson on the street, only, apparently, the other way round.

 

[Australis]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Not the best for the season (that's Belgravia of course) but still decent and a shade better than Hound.

Did anyone get the name, 'Reichenbach Falls'. People were calling Holmes 'the hero of Reichenbach', which was getting abbreviated to just 'Reichenbach' Reichenbach Falls, see?

It was smart and funny, glad this show is on. I would like to point out too that his 19th Century counterpart survived 'The Final Problem', reappeared in 'The Empty House'. Moriarty did not.

We'll just have to wait & see.

 

[Me-Ike]

I mostly enjoyed the episode. As others have mentioned, the acting was again quite extraordinary. But I couldn't help feeling bored whenever Moriarty and Sherlock shared a scene on their own. To me it felt like the the rooms was supposed to sizzle; yet all that reached me was a gentle pfffffft.

I think everybody at the scene was an actor, hired to quickly arrange the scene, add the fake blood and to keep John from getting close enough to inspect the body for long enough to verify that it wasn't really Sherlock.

Given how much emphasis Moriarty liked to put on his arranging everything by having "helpful" people ready, this makes the most sense.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah and John was knocked over and probably had a concussion when he was struggling to aide his friend so he didn't actually see the entire fall...hence the blurry almost groggy camera. I just hope we don't have to wait too long to find out! I predict we'll most likely have to wait until at the earliest 2014 before series three returns, maybe later.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Fantastic episode. I loved how Moriarty tore down Holmes' reputation bit by bit and only his five friends (Watson, Lestrade, Mrs. Hudson, Molly, and Mycroft) weren't fooled. I look forward not only seeing how Sherlock faked his death, but also how rebuilds his reputation.

My only complaint about the episode is I would have liked to see some follow-up/explanation on why the little girl thought Sherlock was her kidnapper. Or perhaps that's something that will be resolves in series 3?

Oh, one other thing. While it was cool to see Anderson and Donovan again, it was mighty convinient for them to return after a lengthy absence precisely when we needed Sherlock doubters visibly present.

Sherlock was great, despite too many loud chewing cunts. (side note- Moriarty isn't Doyle's Napoleon Of Crime, he's Heath Ledger's Joker. And there's nothing wrong with that.)

Absolutely and I thought of this post (since I inadvertently read it before watching the episode) when Moriarty said "We're the same, you and me."

And Moriarty could have faked his death too. Blank in the gun, blood cap to the back of the head. Yep, he's that crazy. Would you be surprised?

I'm thinking the same thing. Hell, I would say Moriarty's death is easier to fake than Sherlock's considering no one checked his body.

 

[Ghost Bones]

No, probably not. Recasting the character wouldn't work for me anyway as he was just so perfect in the role.

Yeah, perfect in the role of Graham Norton maybe.

That aside, it's been good. I do hope there's a bigger and cleverer explanation for Holmes living than just surviving or something silly. Also considering we've seen his grave and so there'd have been a funeral and whatnot. Moriarty blowing his own brains out for the sake of spiting some bloke he's met about three times is a bit daft. And the idea that, knowing Holmes has magic info in his head, a load of international criminal terrorists would just move into nearby flats and not do much else felt a bit silly. But overall, I have enjoyed Sherlock. Certainly a lot more than the previous series of the show we're told is Doctor Who.

 

[Relayer1]

I still need some help - maybe I'm being dense.

Moriarty has beaten Holmes who must jump or his friends will all be killed. He is about to jump when he has an idea and confronts Moriarty who tells Holmes that he can't save his friends with him dead and shoots himself.

Holmes couldn't save his friends anyway, apart from jumping, so why did Moriarty kill himself ? In fact by killing himself, Moriarty allowed Holmes to save his friends by faking his own death which he could not have done with Moriarty alive.

Is this a plot hole or am I missing something ?

 

[nvek86]

^Because Moriarty had some way to call the killers off (as he admitted in an offhand remark) and Sherlock threatened to find it out. Moriarty believed that he could achieve that and killer himself to prevent it.

I hope that at the beginning of series 3 Holmes will first appear in some cover identity and use masks and other disguises. It's something the book Holmes did quite often, but this version hasn't really done so far.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^Moriarty said he "wouldn't stop it" not "I can't stop it" so Sherlock took that to mean it was possible to stop it and he just didn't want to. So with Moriarty alive it was possible to stop it and Moriarty would stop it if it meant continuing their game, so in order to beat him he had to be dead.

 

[Relayer1]

^Because Moriarty had some way to call the killers off (as he admitted in an offhand remark) and Sherlock threatened to find it out. Moriarty believed that he could achieve that and killer himself to prevent it.

^Moriarty said he "wouldn't stop it" not "I can't stop it" so Sherlock took that to mean it was possible to stop it and he just didn't want to. So with Moriarty alive it was possible to stop it and Moriarty would stop it if it meant continuing their game, so in order to beat him he had to be dead.

Hmm.

 

[Pingfah]

^Moriarty said he "wouldn't stop it" not "I can't stop it" so Sherlock took that to mean it was possible to stop it and he just didn't want to. So with Moriarty alive it was possible to stop it and Moriarty would stop it if it meant continuing their game, so in order to beat him he had to be dead.

Yes, and I thought Sherlock stepped back with the express purpose of causing Moriarty to kill himself, knowing that he was able to jump and survive anyway. He had to feign surprise to fool the shooters.