That's what i was thinking too.
Sherlock - Series 2
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That's what i was thinking too.
I take it there's no chance he was a front for the 'real' Moriarty ?
I thought this but most likely not.
No, probably not. Recasting the character wouldn't work for me anyway as he was just so perfect in the role.
Besides - why would an actor used as a 'front' blow his own head off ?
Thinking about it, why did Moriarty do that anyway ? I got the 'with me dead you can't stop the assassins' line, but how could Holmes have stopped them with Moriarty still alive ?
In fact, if Moriarty hadn't shot himself, Holmes would not have been able to fake his own death and would have had to jump...
Ok, so I think Molly dumped a corpse from a window. Since we clearly see Holmes jump I think he fell into the truck on something soft. The corpse dressed as Holmes hit the ground.
I think Moriarty killed himself. I think this gives the writers an opportunity to branch out with something new for season 3.
I kept wondering if they'd go to Switzerland and wondered how they would explain reichenbach. Nice touch to tie it in with the first episode.
Episode was good. The first episode of series 2 is still the best but I liked how they set up Holmes as the guy who invented Moriarty. Again, surprised that they gave that little reveal of him at the end.
I think Moriarty killed himself. I think this gives the writers an opportunity to branch out with something new for season 3.
I kept wondering if they'd go to Switzerland and wondered how they would explain reichenbach. Nice touch to tie it in with the first episode.
Episode was good. The first episode of series 2 is still the best but I liked how they set up Holmes as the guy who invented Moriarty. Again, surprised that they gave that little reveal of him at the end.
Huh? He didn't jump or fall in the stories.
Wasn't impressed by the last episode; after a fun start with Moriarty in the Tower and the trial (esp. Sherlock giving evidence), I thought the rest (Moriarty setting up Holmes, the lack of an actual computer virus, the faked death, Mycroft getting manipulated, etc) was predictable almost right the way through with only one or two interesting touches and what wasn't predictable wasn't interesting.
After the brilliant Adler episode, this was a major let-down (haven't had a chance to see the Hound of the Baskerville ep yet). Hopefully S3 will be a return to form.
After the brilliant Adler episode, this was a major let-down (haven't had a chance to see the Hound of the Baskerville ep yet). Hopefully S3 will be a return to form.
I liked it and, despite myself, did actually wonder if they might kill off poor Sherlock. Yes, fell for the hype and the 'we may not be back for a third series' misinformation.
I also began to wonder if they might actually pull a total 'WTF' and reveal that Sherlock was a villain and had created Moriarty. I think I might even have liked that. But I'm glad they didn't!
Hope Moriarty will be back. I really enjoyed Andrew Scott's take on him.
The only scenes I didn't like were the courtroom ones, which were nearly as unlikely as those shown in most soaps. The judge telling the jury they must convict? That Moriarty hadn't called any evidence to justify his 'not guilty' plea? Had he never heard of the presumption of innocence?!
I also began to wonder if they might actually pull a total 'WTF' and reveal that Sherlock was a villain and had created Moriarty. I think I might even have liked that. But I'm glad they didn't!
Hope Moriarty will be back. I really enjoyed Andrew Scott's take on him.
The only scenes I didn't like were the courtroom ones, which were nearly as unlikely as those shown in most soaps. The judge telling the jury they must convict? That Moriarty hadn't called any evidence to justify his 'not guilty' plea? Had he never heard of the presumption of innocence?!
um, don't British judges usually direct the jury to find people guilty in cases where it's pretty clear-cut the person's as guilty as hell?
devils advocate here... but how can he be presumed innocent when they have footage and eyewitness testimony of Moriarty being arrested from where he was sat on the throne, wearing the crown and cloak, and holding the royal sceptre?
Innocence doesn't really pan into it there lmao
it'd be like saying "well we have to presume he's innocent, even though he's video taped the murder, is standing over the body with the knife still embedded in the victims chest, and has already admitted guilt to the arresting officers."
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Innocence doesn't really pan into it there lmao
it'd be like saying "well we have to presume he's innocent, even though he's video taped the murder, is standing over the body with the knife still embedded in the victims chest, and has already admitted guilt to the arresting officers."
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The defendant is still entitled to the presumption of innocence. The judge might well point out to the jury that they may find the prosecution evidence convincing, overwhelming and he might remind them that the defendant has not given an explanation to rebut the crown case. He might also remind them of the fact that they could draw an inference from Moriarty's silence. But if he directed them like that judge did, then, if M hadn't blackmailed/ intimidated the jury and if they convicted, the case would be before the court of appeal in a heartbeat.
Great finale and if they hadn't already announced the next series, it would have been a good finale for the series as a whole as well.
And as much as I liked this version of Moriarty, I hope they don't bring him back and instead use some other villains from the canon (like Baron Gruner or so...).
And as much as I liked this version of Moriarty, I hope they don't bring him back and instead use some other villains from the canon (like Baron Gruner or so...).
During this episode I kind of started to suspect that they had actually pulled a double bluff in A Study In Pink when they "revealed" that Mark Gatiss' character was Sherlock's brother and not his arch-enemy. Gatiss' Mycroft is more like a traditional Moriarty, while I concur with Lonemagpie in that Scott's performance was reminiscent of Heath Ledger's Joker. (I guess that this was a case of borrowing back from the Batman mythos. Moriarty's exit felt like a good way to end the Batman/Joker story.)I take it there's no chance he was a front for the 'real' Moriarty ?
I thought this but most likely not.
Having seen last night's episode, I couldn't help but chuckle at this bit of coincidence:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3873GHNOTW5F0
Or maybe it's all part of his master plan?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R3873GHNOTW5F0
Or maybe it's all part of his master plan?
Absolutely brilliant. Moriarty's scheming was masterful, and I liked how he seemed to be always one step ahead of Sherlock. The reveal at the end doesn't bother me. We all know he's not dead, the twist will be how he survived. When he reached out to Molly for help, was it a truly heartfelt example of character growth in that he realized he needed a little help from his friends, or was he just manipulating her as usual?
Can't wait for series 3. Where do they go from here? Sherlock's reputation is pretty darn well tarnished. In the news video posted on John's blog - http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/16ajune - the ticker mentions that one of the murderers that Sherlock put away was appealing his conviction. I imagine a lot the cases he was involved in will fall apart now.
Can't wait for series 3. Where do they go from here? Sherlock's reputation is pretty darn well tarnished. In the news video posted on John's blog - http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/16ajune - the ticker mentions that one of the murderers that Sherlock put away was appealing his conviction. I imagine a lot the cases he was involved in will fall apart now.
This episode was very disappointing.
So far my rankings:
1. Scandal in Belgravia
2. Study in Pink
3. Great Game
4. Blind Banker
5. Reichenbach Fall
6. Hound of the Baskervilles
So far my rankings:
1. Scandal in Belgravia
2. Study in Pink
3. Great Game
4. Blind Banker
5. Reichenbach Fall
6. Hound of the Baskervilles
Santeria
Lieutenant Commander
Or really was an actor being manipulated by the real Moriarty instead of Sherlock. As they said, the best lies are the ones full of truths.Unless Jim is a twin