Is Generations REALLY That Bad???

[Deckerd]

Just watched the crash. It was awesome.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which silly circumstances? In TSFS as well as GEN a bunch of Klingon renegades with old BoPs are responsible for the destruction of the ship. The destruction of the original Enterprise is only better because Kirk sacrifices her.

The destruction of the Enterprise was because Kruge knocked out the automation system with a lucky shot. Kirk didn't have the manpower aboard to control her without the automation system. He had five people trying to control a vessel normally crewed by 400.

Its also not in the best shape.

 

[antiquityscion]

The destruction of the Enterprise was for cinematic impact and it was spectacular. The producers didn't hear the screaming of hundreds thousands of Trek fans dying inside.

Just watched the crash. It was awesome.

Really? Even when I saw it in the theater, I couldn't help but think how silly and how FAKE the effects looked as the D's saucer section skidded across the planet surface. It looked like Frisbee skipping across a Lionel train set's country side.

I can buy the Klingons cracking the shield codes (I mean how else COULD a BOP take out a Galaxy class ship), but this was a very poorly executed scene. I think many fans were not disappointed with the destruction of the D, so much as it being the unceremonious and amateur way that it was done.

Contrast that with TSFS.

"My God Bones, what have I done?"
"What you had to do. What you always do: turn death into a fighting chance to live."

That still sends chills down my spine.


Bottom line, the original Enterprise went out with a defiant roar in which her last act was to save her crew, whereas the D went out with...well, a thud.

 

[Kemaiku]

It looked horribly amateurish, and even worse with time.

 

[antiquityscion]

It looked horribly amateurish, and even worse with time.

Which kind of sums up the entire movie, IMHO.

Tons of missed opportunity.

 

[Kemaiku]

The film itself was up to the standard of the most mediocre or one of the worse episodes of the series, the script just worse than that again.

 

[Balrog]

Kirk "dies" twice in the film, Picard cries, and they destroy the E-D. The film ends with Picard and Riker beaming off the rubble of the iconic bridge from their successful television run. Good or bad, it was sure depressing!

 

[Broccoli]

It always hurts to watch the Enterprise go down in that film.

 

[Deckerd]

Just watched First Contact. That's a fun film too. But the Enterprise crashing was still awesome.

 

[BillJ]

It always hurts to watch the Enterprise go down in that film.

 

[FalTorPan]

GENERATIONS has some great parts, but in this case the whole is much less than the sum of its parts.

 

[CoveTom]

Kirk's Enterprise was a beloved ship. As much a member of the cast as any member of the crew.

The Enterprise-D was a beloved ship. As much a member of the cast as any member of the crew.

The Enterprise-E always felt to me like 'just another ship'. And that, IMHO, hurts the latter TNG films.

 

[sonak]

Kirk's Enterprise was a beloved ship. As much a member of the cast as any member of the crew.

The Enterprise-D was a beloved ship. As much a member of the cast as any member of the crew.

The Enterprise-E always felt to me like 'just another ship'. And that, IMHO, hurts the latter TNG films.

does the Ent-A being in TFF and TUC hurt those films?(leaving aside whatever unrelated issues you may have about TFF)

 

[Disruptor]

If time had no meaning is Soran still in the Nexus? Or a piece of him, like Guinan?

It could've been really intriguing if Picard went to Soran in the Nexus and tried to talk Soran out of exiting it and stopping himself, after all...the Nexus Soran would be whole again, not the desperate man who'd do anything to go back that we saw throughout the movie.

I think it would be funny if the Nexus really was the afterlife, that really was Picard's nephew. Kirk saw the fakery of a false god in Star Trek VI, Picard actually went to heaven but could not accept it (probably because he was still alive), and convinces Kirk not to, either.

 

[ParLawGod]

I really liked Generations. It isn't other there with many of the others, but still a good film (IMO). I think the negativity comes from comparing it to others in the franchise.

 

[Balrog]

^It doesn't make sense NOT to compare GEN to the other films in the franchise.

Now, if you are saying it is compared to the other films unfairly, Par, I would like to hear your reasons why you think that.

 

[BillJ]

does the Ent-A being in TFF and TUC hurt those films?(leaving aside whatever unrelated issues you may have about TFF)

No. Because it still felt like the Enterprise. That's the one thing about the Double-E, it just doesn't feel like the Enterprise.

 

[ParLawGod]

^It doesn't make sense NOT to compare GEN to the other films in the franchise.

Now, if you are saying it is compared to the other films unfairly, Par, I would like to hear your reasons why you think that.

No, I definitely don't think it is being compared unfairly. I think it is a GOOD film, but sometimes people say it is "bad" because it does not measure up to most of the others. It can still be a "good" film, and be one of the "worst" in the franchise at the same time.

 

[CoveTom]

does the Ent-A being in TFF and TUC hurt those films?(leaving aside whatever unrelated issues you may have about TFF)

No, because it was the same ship with a letter painted on it. Otherwise, it was still "our" Enterprise.

 

[Broccoli]

does the Ent-A being in TFF and TUC hurt those films?(leaving aside whatever unrelated issues you may have about TFF)

No, because it was the same ship with a letter painted on it. Otherwise, it was still "our" Enterprise.

Also, in some ways, Kirk and Co. kind of earned the Enterprise back. The ship was given its own "hero introduction" at the end of TVH. Sort of like seeing Spock alive again at the end of TSFS.

The E-E just sort of showed up with our heroes already on it with the introduction less impressive.