Changes in personality and motivation for new timeline

[CosmicQuestion]

Kirk lost his father and was raised by an abusive uncle. Spock's future self is responsible for the loss of his homeworld. The others must have had their lives disrupted atleast somewhat do to the events of the last film.

Question is, how did this effect them. It would seem the Kirk and Spock would be radically differant. Kirk maybe less responsible and more reckless. Spock overwhelmed with guilt and either accepting emotions or seeking out a vulcan specialist to get rid of them completely.

I know little things that appear trivial can change a person totally, but these are dramatic events.

How do you all think the characters will (or should) change, for better or worse?

 

[BillJ]

I want Spock to be the villain in the third film. He seems ripe for it after losing his mother and planet.

 

[Trekkie2]

People whose lives were directly affected by George Kirk and those who were killed when the Kevin was attacked would probably find their lives greatly altered. Since we have no backstory to rely on, we don't know who those people are. Any threat to personal security changes a person. The only character roles so far, that have been noticeably altered are Uhura and Pike. Pike didn't captain the Enterprise for long, before relinquishing command to Kirk, and he was a academy instructor. Uhura, in TOS, was a communications officer and didn't even know how to speak Klingon. In fact, no one spoke Klingon, not even the Klingons. In the rebooted timeline, she's well versed in many languages, as she should have been. She may be more outspoken, but that's youth for you. Thankfully, Spock isn't the laughing Vulcan he was in "The Menagerie" episode, and even more thankfully, he's not shouting all the time. Kirk was rebellious, mischevious, and a pain in his father's backside, growing up. Kirk didn't change much.

I hope to see a little more backstory in the movie, especially since Archer was mentioned.

 

[F. King Daniel]

William Shatner/Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' novel "Star Trek Academy: Collision Course" gave us a Kirk very much in the same place that nuKirk was at the start of the movie, only a few years earlier. A 17-year-old petty thief and carjacker, whose life had gone to shit after he survived the massacre on Tarsus IV. He, similarly, finds a constructive outlet in Starfleet. So I'm not sure the Kirk's are too dissimilar.

 

[BillJ]

William Shatner/Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' novel "Star Trek Academy: Collision Course" gave us a Kirk very much in the same place that nuKirk was at the start of the movie, only a few years earlier. A 17-year-old petty thief and carjacker, whose life had gone to shit after he survived the massacre on Tarsus IV. He, similarly, finds a constructive outlet in Starfleet. So I'm not sure the Kirk's are too dissimilar.

My only problem with Kirk in the new film was they had his douchebag mode set to full during the Academy portion of the film.

 

[The Castellan]

William Shatner/Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' novel "Star Trek Academy: Collision Course" gave us a Kirk very much in the same place that nuKirk was at the start of the movie, only a few years earlier. A 17-year-old petty thief and carjacker, whose life had gone to shit after he survived the massacre on Tarsus IV. He, similarly, finds a constructive outlet in Starfleet. So I'm not sure the Kirk's are too dissimilar.

My only problem with Kirk in the new film was they had his douchebag mode set to full during the Academy portion of the film.

Was he not a douchebag throughout the entire film.

 

[BillJ]

William Shatner/Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' novel "Star Trek Academy: Collision Course" gave us a Kirk very much in the same place that nuKirk was at the start of the movie, only a few years earlier. A 17-year-old petty thief and carjacker, whose life had gone to shit after he survived the massacre on Tarsus IV. He, similarly, finds a constructive outlet in Starfleet. So I'm not sure the Kirk's are too dissimilar.

My only problem with Kirk in the new film was they had his douchebag mode set to full during the Academy portion of the film.

Was he not a douchebag throughout the entire film.

No. He started to come into his own over the final third of the film.

 

[Ultramann]

Spock would be potentially different toward the end of the film while Kirk would be different from birth literally. Question, what even was altered due to Nero that impacted Spock enough to pursue Uhura where he didn't in the prime timeline.

 

[Nightowl1701]

Spock would be potentially different toward the end of the film while Kirk would be different from birth literally. Question, what even was altered due to Nero that impacted Spock enough to pursue Uhura where he didn't in the prime timeline.

Presumably no T'Pring to look forward to, for one. Not to say she won't show up in the comic, but as far as Spock knows right now she went where Vulcan went. Not to mention losing both your Mom and your whole frelling WORLD at the same time! Even full-blooded Vulcans like Sarek could be forgiven for wanting at least a stiff drink after that.

Not to mention at this equivalent point in the prime timeline (presuming both Uhuras went to the Academy at the same time), Spock Prime was serving aboard the classic Enterprise with Pike. For all we know, Prime Spock and Uhura didn't even meet until Prime Kirk took command.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Considering that T'Pring only wanted a full-blooded Vulcan as her mate, if you'll all remember, and that she probably wouldn't have gone off-planet...
Yeah, she's probably dead.

 

[BillJ]

Considering that T'Pring only wanted a full-blooded Vulcan as her mate, if you'll all remember, and that she probably wouldn't have gone off-planet...
Yeah, she's probably dead.

Not sure she wanted only a full blooded Vulcan as a mate. She simply says that she didn't want to be a "consort to a legend" and would still be bangin' Stonn while Spock was away.

Classy gal.

 

[7thsealord]

Considering that T'Pring only wanted a full-blooded Vulcan as her mate, if you'll all remember, and that she probably wouldn't have gone off-planet...
Yeah, she's probably dead.

Not sure she wanted only a full blooded Vulcan as a mate. She simply says that she didn't want to be a "consort to a legend" and would still be bangin' Stonn while Spock was away.

Classy gal.

Well, that is what she says. Might even be at least partially true. But it would not surprise me if there was a touch of anti-Human prejudice swimming around in there as well.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I want Spock to be the villain in the third film. He seems ripe for it after losing his mother and planet.

Cool idea!

Kirk's personality changes aren't necessarily the product of being raised by an abusive uncle, since that sort of thing could result in the opposite of the undisciplined wild child he turned out to be. It was just a change, any change, to explain the need to turn young Kirk into the opposite of "a stack of book with legs" and "positively grim" mainly so he would make a good contrast with Spock.

As for Spock, yeah, he'll be more emotionally unhinged. Uhura is also notably different, for unexplained reasons (internal to the movies that is).

William Shatner/Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens' novel "Star Trek Academy: Collision Course" gave us a Kirk very much in the same place that nuKirk was at the start of the movie, only a few years earlier. A 17-year-old petty thief and carjacker, whose life had gone to shit after he survived the massacre on Tarsus IV. He, similarly, finds a constructive outlet in Starfleet. So I'm not sure the Kirk's are too dissimilar.

That conflicts directly with Kirk's own canonical self-assessment in the Prime Universe. Okay, he may have been fibbing or mis-remembering, but the "overly-serious young cadet who loosens up when he gets to space" is fine for the Prime U. It only ceases to work well when we're in a universe where young Kirk and young Spock need to share screen time together and create dramatic contrast.

Question, what even was altered due to Nero that impacted Spock enough to pursue Uhura where he didn't in the prime timeline.

Given that Uhura is far more changed in the Abrams U than Spock, I'd say the precipitating factor was in Uhura's life and that she was the one who started chasing Spock first. She probably would have been just as successful in the Prime U, except she was too much of a lady to make the first move.

Nero's incursion could have had any number of ripple effects. Since many of the characters' ages have changed, they may not even "be" the same person, but rather a sibling born earlier or later to the same parents, in lieu of the original, and given the same name because that other sibling was never born. That's definitely got to be true for Chekov, who is much "older" in the Abrams U.