Is it just me, or are Vulcans a bunch of jerks?

[Temis the Vorta]

IDIC is partly aspiration, partly delusion. If you're a very non-IDIC species but you want to be, it's just the sort of thing you'd invent, talk about incessantly, shove down everyone's throats and then be totally hypocritical about in your own behavior.

Jesus, now I'm making them sound like Republicans.

 

[horatio83]

But they were the ones who came up with the IDIC philosophy, and they pretty much educated the humans to follow it or set the example to follow. Then it turns out they never really have followed it at all.

Just like we talk all the time about democracy while we are in fact closer to some from of corporatism with breads and games.
Funny that people always notice these natural inconsistencies in other cultures but never in their own.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

The Vulcans are thought to be somehow better because they achieved global peace on their own planet before Terrans did. There success lay in the fact that they learned to suppress their emotions (passions) which are so often the cause of disagreements, war, and general discordance. I understand all of this.

Yet, Terrans managed to attain peace without having to suppress or allegedly remove their emotions. Doesn't that make the Terrans somehow more nobler?

Think of it this way, the Vulcans achieved peace by eliminating the cause of the problem, rather than by facing it head on and licking it. In a way, the Vulcans sort of copped out by eliminating the problem rather than by truly solving or overcoming it.

 

[xortex]

If they're not Human, how can you ever know what they truly are? They could be Talosians. Embracing Vulcans, while dissing Klingons and Romulans may be totally wrong. It would seem more likely that Klingons are Humanity's true brothers and the Vulcans are decieving us telepathically into thinking that they are not really Romulans. Spock was able to fool the computer in the Courtmarshall since he lied in one episode blatently to a high official so how can he be trusted?

But more to the point, they did seem to be the opposite of what they claimed to be which would be another lie but Enterprise is another story better forgotten though their episode with the emotional Vulcans should have included the Romulans clashing with the Vulcans over their rights to have emotions, etc. and they should have joined the Romulans in the end. Vulcans as was shown with T'Pau are highly rascist and disrepectful of Humans, as in 'Art thee Vulcan, or art thee Human?' said with such disdain. They're very clanish and protective of that because they are sensatives to a certain extent. They hate the Romulans but meanwhile they may be much worse kind of thing.

Yea, Patrick Stewart was detached enough to make a good Vulcan.

 

[Dukhat]

They hate the Romulans but meanwhile they may be much worse kind of thing.

Vulcans don't hate Romulans.

 

[xortex]

You're right. I was just pointing out that the Federation went to war with the Romulans while the Vulcans knew they were once the same species?

 

[Dukhat]

You're right. I was just pointing out that the Federation went to war with the Romulans while the Vulcans knew they were once the same species?

The Vulcans didn't know they were the same species. Where are you getting that from?

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're right. I was just pointing out that the Federation went to war with the Romulans while the Vulcans knew they were once the same species?

The Vulcans didn't know they were the same species. Where are you getting that from?

Its possible some Vulcans might have according to Enterprise. But I don't think that was ever actually said.

 

[xortex]

It would be a big omission.

 

[CmndrSela318]

Helloooo??? Has everyone forgotten Sybok? You know, Spock's half-brother in the 5th Star Trek movie? Sybok had 2 Vulcan parents-his mother who was a Vulcan High Priestess and his and Spock's father Sarek. Yet, Sybok embraced emotions. Sybok behaved more human than Spock who is half human. I think Vulcans were capable of expressing emotions, they just chose not to...Sybok being the exception.
Klingons also have exceptions. Look at Worf. Worf didn't behave like most Klingons. He was subdued in the way he talked and the way he behaved. Of course, if you got him mad he could behave like any other angry Klingon.
Romulans--No comment because I have nothing to say on the subject.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It would be a big omission.

Huh?

 

[sonak]

Helloooo??? Has everyone forgotten Sybok? You know, Spock's half-brother in the 5th Star Trek movie? Sybok had 2 Vulcan parents-his mother who was a Vulcan High Priestess and his and Spock's father Sarek. Yet, Sybok embraced emotions. Sybok behaved more human than Spock who is half human. I think Vulcans were capable of expressing emotions, they just chose not to...Sybok being the exception.
Klingons also have exceptions. Look at Worf. Worf didn't behave like most Klingons. He was subdued in the way he talked and the he behaved. Of course, if you got him mad he could behave like any other angry Klingon.
Romulans--No comment because I have nothing to say on the subject.

er, I brought up the exact example of Sybok a while back in this thread. Yes, he was a Vulcan who embraced his feelings and remained a nice guy.(if a misguided one) Which shows that the emotional suppression seems to no longer be necessary for Vulcans to not be savagely violent.

 

[xortex]

It would be a big omission.

Huh?

They kept the truth about the Romulans to themselves. Ie. they could have orchestrated the Romulan war, etc.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It would be a big omission.

Huh?

They kept the truth about the Romulans to themselves. Ie. they could have orchestrated the Romulan war, etc.

Did they?

I don't recall an episode where that happened.

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

Huh?

They kept the truth about the Romulans to themselves. Ie. they could have orchestrated the Romulan war, etc.

Did they?

I don't recall an episode where that happened.

Maybe I missed something here, but wasn't Spock equally surprised in Balance of Terror when the hitherto unseen Romulans came up on the viewscreen and looked very Vulcanian? In fact, wasn't it Spock who put in the effort to try to bring up a visual?

If there was some conspiracy on the part of the Vulcans to hide their shared bloodline with the Romulans, then Spock obviously did not get the memo.

 

[xortex]

He didn't look surprised to me, but rather like it was confirming a suspicion he had. Being half Human and working for the Federation, it's easy to see why he was kept out of the loop.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He didn't look surprised to me, but rather like it was confirming a suspicion he had. Being half Human and working for the Federation, it's easy to see why he was kept out of the loop.

Thats reading a lot into an early episode where the Vulcans had yet to be fully realized and the Federation hadn't been created yet.

 

[xortex]

The Federation wasn't created by the 'Balance of Terror'?

 

[A.V.I.A.F.]

He didn't look surprised to me, but rather like it was confirming a suspicion he had. Being half Human and working for the Federation, it's easy to see why he was kept out of the loop.

It may have been a suspicion shared collectively by many Vulcans and not one that was kept secret from one single Vulcan. Besides, Spock wasn't born into the Federation. Surely he would have heard about such rumors growing up on Vulcan.

 

[Anwar]

The Federation wasn't created by the 'Balance of Terror'?

The Neutral Zone bases are referred to as "Earth Outposts", the Enterprise as "The Earth Vessel", the war being between the Romulans and "Earth Forces".

Heck, even in "Friday's Child" they call it the "Earth Federation".