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Please Keep Out of Gay Bars and Clubs

I always wonder how gay bars get started. Is it location? Do they advertise? How do you know a bar is supposed to be a gay bar?
 
I knew of a gay nightclub in DC that was a family restaurant during the day. That was years ago during my undergrad days. I have no idea if it's still there.
 
I don't understand why any straight woman would go to a gay bar to gawk at gay people, however I do understand why some women might prefer gay bars if it means that they won't be constantly pestered by straight men.
 
I've been to gay bars a couple times. Not to gawk, not to pick on guys, since I'm straight, but just because I was with someone else who wanted to go and invited me along. Have I been hit on? Yes. Did I respectfully decline instead of acting like an ass? Yes, of course.

That said, it never occurred to me that I'd be unwelcome there. I guess I'd better re-evaluate my expectations if I'm ever invited again.
 
I've been to gay bars a couple times. Not to gawk, not to pick on guys, since I'm straight, but just because I was with someone else who wanted to go and invited me along. Have I been hit on? Yes. Did I respectfully decline instead of acting like an ass? Yes, of course.

That said, it never occurred to me that I'd be unwelcome there. I guess I'd better re-evaluate my expectations if I'm ever invited again.

Most club patrons/owners I've met have no problems with straight people visiting the clubs. It's when said patrons decide they want to be vocally anti-gay, that's when they get thrown out.
 
I always wonder how gay bars get started. Is it location? Do they advertise? How do you know a bar is supposed to be a gay bar?

Really RoJo? And you've worked in bars! Your Gaydar needs upgrading :)

They know how to party! That's why!

Absolutely Paradon! My son read this article out to me today the bit that made him laugh most was ..."Some of my best friends are heterosexual, and it gives one a good feeling to see that heterosexuals are so visible everywhere these days,"... :guffaw:

Women go to gay bars because they are fun, friendly and usually have the best entertainment. But never go to one unless you totally look your best. You'll fit in if you can out-bitch the comments and know your new fashion and make up tips. High heels and lipstick are a must.

And also a kind of 'oh seen it all before dahlinks' attitude helps ;)

CD ~ I think your attitude is perfect.
 
I have a couple of buddies who told me visiting a lesbian bar was the best time they ever had. Not 'cause they wanted to try and "turn" any of them, but 'cause they're married and appreciated an entirely temptation-free environment for a change.
 
I have a couple of buddies who told me visiting a lesbian bar was the best time they ever had. Not 'cause they wanted to try and "turn" any of them, but 'cause they're married and appreciated an entirely temptation-free environment for a change.

It's true. If you're in a gay bar, for me I'm in the company of good looking, well dressed, witty intelligent men who are charming and know how to have a great time.
And to not have an underlying sexual thing is brilliant. :)
 
I do understand why some women might prefer gay bars if it means that they won't be constantly pestered by straight men.
Yes, but then the lesbians would be all over them.

It was mention in the story, but I do wonder how a group of people who have experienced exclusion, can then practice exclusion, based on sexual orientation. I'm not even sure that what's being propose in the article would be strictly legal across the pond in America today.

I mean you can make people feel uncomfortable to the point that they will leave. I've had this happen to me in straight bars (didn't want "packs" of transgenders), but I've never had management walk me out.

And am I the only one who had to look up the term "Muscle Mary?"

:)
 
I always wonder how gay bars get started. Is it location? Do they advertise? How do you know a bar is supposed to be a gay bar?

Really RoJo? And you've worked in bars! Your Gaydar needs upgrading :)

That's not what I mean. I'd know a gay bar if I walked into one. I mean...how does a bar start being a gay bar? If a brand new gay opened, how would the gay people know it's for them? What would stop a bunch of straight people from getting there first?

Ya know...? :lol:
 
I imagine every gay bar has a picture of two crossed cocks once you enter them, so as to drive away the straights.
 
That's not what I mean. I'd know a gay bar if I walked into one. I mean...how does a bar start being a gay bar? If a brand new gay opened, how would the gay people know it's for them? What would stop a bunch of straight people from getting there first?

Ya know...? :lol:
Let's open a bar. We can experiment.

OK. Poor choice of words but you get the idea.
 
however I do understand why some women might prefer gay bars if it means that they won't be constantly pestered by straight men.

That's one reason I think. It's one I appreciate anyhow.

I've been to gay clubs before, but it was with my brother - who is a gay man. I don't think I'd go to them otherwise though. And they may not have let me in if I wasn't with him either. I've never heard of that before.

I always found the atmosphere to be better, the music to be better, heck even the bartenders are usually better. My brother gave me a tip telling me to go to the older bartenders, they make better drinks since they can't make nice tips just standing there shirtless in short-shorts like the younger ones do. :p
 
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They also seem to have a lot less fights.

I've yet to go to a "hetero" club and not see a scuffle of some kind (if even minor). But I've never seen anything of the sort at a gay bar.

And I used to go gay bars a lot. The ones in Minneapolis are great--at least they used to be. Haven't been there in ten years.
 
Part of the problem is that we simply want a safe space for ourselves. In the few cases that we have indeed excluded people, believe me it's because they've deserved it. We wouldn't do it because "eww straights are icky and they're all eeevil."

If you can come in to our space and be respectful of the people there and the reasons they are there, then fine. But if you're only there to try to make yourself look cool and trendy, without understanding that this is our space, then yes there'll be some resentment.

Out in the world, LGBTs are the minority. Even as well accepted as we may be in some locations, surely you can understand why we would want a safe space that is just ours, where we don't have to worry about potentially upsetting other people just by being ourselves, and how we would be uncomfortable with too many non-LGBTs invading that.

If you look at the gay scene in Manchester, UK, it's barely gay anymore. Over the years it became the trendy place to be, where straight girls could go to party without being hit on by straight men. Then of course, the straight men followed them because that's where the girls were - at the gay bars. Eventually there were so many heteros there that gays stopped going.

In too many cases in less accepting locations, the local gay bar is the only place a LGBT person can feel safe and free to be themselves. They provide a vital resource.

And sadly gay bars aren't even always a safe space from aggression. There was the case recently that two guys went into a gay bar in New York - the legendary Stonewall bar itself in fact - just so that they could beat up some gays. They beat the crap out of some poor kid in the bathroom, and that was their entire reason for being there. When even the spaces we've carved out for ourselves aren't safe, you can understand why we'd be skittish.
 
I think straight people go there to party because being gay still view as somehow wrong in a way and when they party they tend to go all out just to rebel. It's fun to party with gay people or people that just like to go all out IMO. :lol: I love it when excess amount of alcohol are being consume.
 
I always wonder how gay bars get started. Is it location? Do they advertise? How do you know a bar is supposed to be a gay bar?
Because it says so. They will advertise in the gay papers, post flyers on lampposts and - assuming it's safe to do so - fly a rainbow flag outside.

Location is a part of it, certainly - the gay "village" still exists - but not an exclusive part. Advertising and word of mouth are more so.


They know how to party! That's why!
A bit of a stereotype. The truth is that gays know how to party without having to beat people up at the same time. Why straight guys insist on turning a place dedicated to fun and relaxation into a place of violence and bloodshed I can't understand.


That said, it never occurred to me that I'd be unwelcome there. I guess I'd better re-evaluate my expectations if I'm ever invited again.
Continue to act respectfully and remember that you are a guest in our space, and you'll be fine.


But never go to one unless you totally look your best. You'll fit in if you can out-bitch the comments and know your new fashion and make up tips. High heels and lipstick are a must. And also a kind of 'oh seen it all before dahlinks' attitude helps ;)
Again, a stereotype. Not without some basis of course - there will always be bitchy queens, that's the gay equivalent of fighting - but there are a lot more nice normal guys who accept people for who they are. The bitches are just louder.


It's true. If you're in a gay bar, for me I'm in the company of good looking, well dressed, witty intelligent men who are charming and know how to have a great time.
A positive stereotype, I will accept. ;)


It was mention in the story, but I do wonder how a group of people who have experienced exclusion, can then practice exclusion, based on sexual orientation.
Not based on sexual orientation - based on safety. We are not a danger to straight people, except in some crazed fundamentalist whackjob's fevered imagination. Straight people can sometimes be a danger to us, however. We're just protecting ourselves.


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