I liked the effects work.
Of God's and Men ??
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It seemed contrived to me.
Definitely. Same applies to Star Trek fanzines, cosplay, customized action figures, and so on. People being creative in someone else's sandbox and wanting to share. Participatory media.
I've never had a problem with that. I do a have a problem with people who can neither be polite nor constructive in their criticism. And that applies to both amateur efforts, and professional.
To me, criticism should serve three purposes:
1) It should inform others who are considering spending their time viewing, listening to or reading a work about it enough for them to decide for themselves, based on their own tastes and choices. It isn't enough that I hate it... or love it... I have to also tell you why, so if your tastes differ from mine, you can still make a reasonable choice.
2) It should inform the creator of how his or her or their work is being seen by a stranger who does not already know what their intent was.
3) It should, itself, be somewhat entertaining (this, by the way, is not easy, particularly if you are also trying to do the other two).
If criticism fails in any of these aspects, it should itself be subject to criticism.
1) It should inform others who are considering spending their time viewing, listening to or reading a work about it enough for them to decide for themselves, based on their own tastes and choices. It isn't enough that I hate it... or love it... I have to also tell you why, so if your tastes differ from mine, you can still make a reasonable choice.
2) It should inform the creator of how his or her or their work is being seen by a stranger who does not already know what their intent was.
3) It should, itself, be somewhat entertaining (this, by the way, is not easy, particularly if you are also trying to do the other two).
If criticism fails in any of these aspects, it should itself be subject to criticism.
Star Trek-Of Gods and Men is, to me, a nice and solid reunion story that captures the spirit of the Original Series and Feature Films just fine. I feel sad that so many seem to not see it this way but everyone seems to have their own opinion, which is fine but not when they like to continually tear something apart. Thanks for your time.
Personally I enjoyed it and the message that it sends to the fans. It is far more a love letter than the end of Enterprise was. I love that there are pros out there who are so in love with Trek that they'll pass up other work in hopes of getting to be cast as a series regular, or take time and for nothing or next to it, work on something like this.
The film is not without flaws to be sure, but I found the underlying idea very interesting and I loved some of the supplementary ideas.
Overall it is what it is, a fan film, made as well as possible under the circumstances in which the creators were working, and what it might lack in polish it more than makes up in heart.
The film is not without flaws to be sure, but I found the underlying idea very interesting and I loved some of the supplementary ideas.
Overall it is what it is, a fan film, made as well as possible under the circumstances in which the creators were working, and what it might lack in polish it more than makes up in heart.
Pointing out that there are flaws and weaknesses in OG&M is not the same things as "tearing it apart". As someone involved in a fan production myself I am well aware that the work we are doing won't please or impress everyone. I knew that when I signed on and I'm sure everyone involved with OG&M did too. There was a lot of hard work, by a lot of talented people involved with that production and if it turned out to be less than the sum of those parts, well that's also a risk you take when you decide to make a video or audio show. That it might not turn out as well you had hoped is also part of the risk.
My admiration for the people who put their time, effort and talent on the line in fan productions is unbounded, but I'm not going to let that blind to me obvious failings or shortcomings. I don't judge fan productions by professional standards, but neither do I just pat them on the head and say "that's nice". I don't want that in my work and I don't think anyone else does either.
My admiration for the people who put their time, effort and talent on the line in fan productions is unbounded, but I'm not going to let that blind to me obvious failings or shortcomings. I don't judge fan productions by professional standards, but neither do I just pat them on the head and say "that's nice". I don't want that in my work and I don't think anyone else does either.
That would be interesting to say the least. I imagine there are all sorts of copyright issues to prevent that from ever happening, but it would be fun to see.
I did hear TPTB are planning an OGAM Special Edition, so maybe that will raise the bar in some dismissive fans' eyes. I find it so tawltry to continually bash something just because others do it and it is the common frame of mind don't you?
I did hear TPTB are planning an OGAM Special Edition, so maybe that will raise the bar in some dismissive fans' eyes. I find it so tawltry to continually bash something just because others do it and it is the common frame of mind don't you?
If you think some of the fair criticisms here are "bashing" you should try some of the other fanfilm discussions elsewhere. Everyone's been pretty fair and balanced here as far as I've seen.
I wasn't talking about here, friend.
Ah, then never mind.
No problem. I apologise for the confusion. I actually find this site to be one of the better ones I have encountered in my internet travels.
The only thing I can say bad about OGAM is neither George Takei or Leonard Nimoy put in an appearance though I assumed both would have been available. But what do I know...
The only thing I can say bad about OGAM is neither George Takei or Leonard Nimoy put in an appearance though I assumed both would have been available. But what do I know...
Nimoy would never do a fan film (regardless of how good - or not so good - it was written). For one, I don't think his agent would let him. He makes big bucks for appearing in Trek films, and is still a box office draw. He was responsible for bringing in many "on the fence" fans to see the last Trek film. To do a fan film could actually serve to hurt him financially, if it looks like he is willing to do it for a fraction of his paying price.
As for Takei... he probably was just too busy. He has done two fan films that allowed him to reprise his role as Sulu. I'm sure he would do another, if the script was right for him. I'm still dying to see a fan film with him as Captain of the Excelsior, and Chekov as his First Officer.
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