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Were did the design of Starfleet vessels come from?

The thread leads to a discussion of godwin.

After some time, the OP's question "Where did the design of Starfleet vessels come from?" is finally answered.

(hint: Matt Jeffries)
 
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As to the original post, I don't think those aircraft even remotely resemble Starfleet ships. About the only thing is that the engines are on nacelles extended away from the main body of the aircraft, which is not uncommon.
 
. . . I don't think those aircraft even remotely resemble Starfleet ships. About the only thing is that the engines are on nacelles extended away from the main body of the aircraft, which is not uncommon.
Yes, that’s a bit of a reach. You could also say the A-10 Warthog and the Learjet 35 look like Starfleet ships.

Still, the Germans did come up with some pretty cool advanced aircraft concepts near the end of the war.
 
I don't think all of the aircraft in that video are factual. I have several books on the Luftwaffe and some of the designs in the video are not depicted. Guessing they are from a video game.
 
I don't think all of the aircraft in that video are factual.
Depends on the definition of factual, I guess. Does it only include planes that flew? Planes that were built? Planes whose blueprints reached the desktop of Göring or Galland? Planes whose blueprints were done on a medium more dignified than a tablecloth?

Inventing new planes was a favorite pastime for the German industry between 1935 and 1945 - only second to the art of turning down new ideas. For every flying wing design presented for procurement, there would have been a dozen sketches based on a hundred preliminary ideas. And doing cool art on preliminary ideas is a valid pastime, too; case in point, good old Ships of the Star Fleet.

At a glance, I'd say about 50% of the planes shown here were seriously considered ideas, 25% were alternate takes, and 25% were sketches that had no serious thinking or calculating behind them in the 1940s yet and certainly would not have featured things like weapons hardpoints, cockpit dome details, landing gear or aerials, not until the 21st century artist added those along with the paint jobs and unit markings.

Also, had time been frozen and had 1946 been a repeat of 1944 rather than a year of its own, it would still have been a year or three too early for most of these planes. Or a year or three too late, depending. The ideas were related to specific strategic situations and planned moves in the game of war, and would only have been built if those moves still remained to be played; a war going well for the Nazis would have been just as much a counter-indication for them as the reality of the war going disastrously was.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^Factual as in "originated in 30's - 40's Germany". Some of them look like aircraft from video games, including the one at the 1:56 mark pointed out by the OP.
 
Sure, but that's probably because they're genuine. That is, they appear to be based on concept studies quite popular in the Nazi Germany - and since the studies never got past the concept phase, they look "unrealistically" smooth and "advanced", as opposed to designs that would have been worked to include things like landing gear, working aerodynamic controls, structurally sound fuselages and wings, contours that would have been affordable to build, and so forth.

There's plenty of very real stuff from the 1950s and 1960s United States that would look futuristic today, and for the same reasons: modern aircraft have become smoother and more intricately contoured (because this saves fuel and because it can be done affordably today and partially also because it's good for stealth) - and for this reason they look more like preliminary sketches (from any given era) than real aircraft (from some past era when smooth and slick was unaffordable)!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Here's one I came across in my image archives that probably fits the original topic much better:
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I'm not sure how far along this particular concept got, or if it's even accurate. I'm guessing it was one of those "Blue Sky" type concepts with an artists' impression based loosely on a sketchy description. In any case, I think this one was supposed to be sub launched, and the "saucer" tips have pop-out wings. See here: http://www.palba.cz/forumfoto/displayimage.php?pid=21370&fullsize=1

I don't know where I originally found the image, but I re-found it here: http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/332082-silhouette-challenge-1398.html

Wouldn't take much work to reshape this into a nifty little Federation fighter! ;)
 
I won't delve into the negative aspects of the 1939-44(45) World War with regards to the Germans. However I will give my ancestors this- The Germans certainly were creative. Being an aircraft lover in general, I was looking at experimental and concept aircraft from the last World War and I wish I could find the one site I was looking at. It was a very simply site with just the basic specs, projected specs, names, and outlined images of planes. They had some pretty funky ideas for aircraft. But then again the US flies stuff now that wouldn't be in the air without modern computers, air frame technology, and incredibly powerful engines! Crazy stuff!

Anyway, this site is pretty good if anyone is interested. http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/ww2-german-military-aircraft.asp

As for any starship bearing any resemblance... Not really in my eyes. And that was the whole point with the original E. They didn't WANT it to look like anything contemporary for the time (or from the past). Which is what kind of bugs me about the New E where they said they wanted retro auto elements. <sigh>... Anyway- I'll leave it at that.
 
FWIW, Jeffries' exotic starship was eventually interpreted in a vaguely jet-like manner by Franz Joseph - with "sinks" at the forward ends of the propulsion cigars and "sources" at the aft ends, suggesting something between giant pole magnets and Nazi-style pulse jets. Whether Jeffries himself saw the engines as acting in a jet-like fashion is debatable, but he certainly drew them to this suggestive shape. If he really wanted to get away from conventional imagery, he shouldn't have done cigar-shaped engines.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The "Luft '46" genre of interest covers any and all of the wild ideas the Germans came up with in WWII, regardless if they reached prototype stage or were just scribbles on a napkin. They're all fodder for model kits or imaginative illustrations.

I've built a ton of Luft '46 models, and probably have twice as many unbuilt in the stockpile. They're exceedingly cool. :)

http://www.inpayne.com/models/models_projekts.html
 
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Yeah, I have a book with all of those in it. The video in the OP has some that just don't look authentic to me.
 
Just watched it and I didn't see any designs I haven't seen before in the many books I have on the subject. :shrug:

Most of the art in that video looks like it was borrowed from the good ol' Luft '46 site at www.luft46.com.
 
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