Let's just say he used the force and foresaw it.
Bounty Hunter Leia
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Let's just say he used the force and foresaw it.
I think the creators acknowledge it in the DS9 Companion.
My personal theory for years (before the EU explained it) was that Leia and Lando were running their own plan while Luke was off doing the Jedi thing (he had to learn to make a new saber, refine his powers, etc) and then Luke came up with his own ideal-- which was try to talk first, then if that didn't work, go Jedi on their asses. Having all of them in one spot was just the fact that it all come to a head at the same moment.
No, no, no, no...you all don't get it. See, The Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi had to rhyme, like poetry, so each one had a plan that made absolutely no sense, but ended up working out for the planners, apparently by accident. Silent Bob already outlined the ROTJ shenanigans.
In TPM, Palpatine's plan was to manipulate the Trade Federation into blockading Naboo to protest taxes, which would generate a sympathy vote for him in the Senate and get him elected Chancellor. Maybe. I think. This is never actually spelled out, only inferred.
Anyway, that's why he had the Trade Federation block all communication out of the system and attempt to assassinate the Republic's ambassadors ... so word of the blockade couldn't get back to the Senate to generate sympathy...running directly counter to all logic and...
Wait, wait. This can still work, because he then he orders the TF to invade the planet and conquer it, which will surely generate even more sympathy in the Senate ... but then he wants them to force Queen Amidala to sign a treaty legitimizing the occupation, while maintaining the comms blackout...ummm, OK. That seems counter-productive, but maybe...oh, right: Palpatine says he'll make it legal. How is unclear, but this is enough to make the TF take the insane step of invading a sovereign nation over a tax dispute.
They capture the Queen and instead of making her sign right then, they send her off to be "processed" at a random internment camp. Amidala manages to escape first the TF and then the Sith assassin Palpatine dispatches to stop her from bringing word of what's going on on Naboo to the Senate! Wait. What?
OK, whatever, roll with it. She makes it to Coruscant and Palpatine is able to manipulate her into calling for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum after giving direct testimony of the Trade Federation's illegal actions ... that the TF delegates successfully discredit (are they working for Palps or not?), and yet the vote passes and Palpatine is suddenly Chancellor! Yay! It all worked exactly as planned because of ... The Force!
Alternately, you can use the heroes' plan to save Naboo at the climax of TPM for a nonsensical plan that ends up working by accident. It rhymes twice. That's twice as poetic!
In TPM, Palpatine's plan was to manipulate the Trade Federation into blockading Naboo to protest taxes, which would generate a sympathy vote for him in the Senate and get him elected Chancellor. Maybe. I think. This is never actually spelled out, only inferred.
Anyway, that's why he had the Trade Federation block all communication out of the system and attempt to assassinate the Republic's ambassadors ... so word of the blockade couldn't get back to the Senate to generate sympathy...running directly counter to all logic and...
Wait, wait. This can still work, because he then he orders the TF to invade the planet and conquer it, which will surely generate even more sympathy in the Senate ... but then he wants them to force Queen Amidala to sign a treaty legitimizing the occupation, while maintaining the comms blackout...ummm, OK. That seems counter-productive, but maybe...oh, right: Palpatine says he'll make it legal. How is unclear, but this is enough to make the TF take the insane step of invading a sovereign nation over a tax dispute.
They capture the Queen and instead of making her sign right then, they send her off to be "processed" at a random internment camp. Amidala manages to escape first the TF and then the Sith assassin Palpatine dispatches to stop her from bringing word of what's going on on Naboo to the Senate! Wait. What?
OK, whatever, roll with it. She makes it to Coruscant and Palpatine is able to manipulate her into calling for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum after giving direct testimony of the Trade Federation's illegal actions ... that the TF delegates successfully discredit (are they working for Palps or not?), and yet the vote passes and Palpatine is suddenly Chancellor! Yay! It all worked exactly as planned because of ... The Force!
Alternately, you can use the heroes' plan to save Naboo at the climax of TPM for a nonsensical plan that ends up working by accident. It rhymes twice. That's twice as poetic!
Well, I would make the same argument - he foresaw it, but I can't even justify sending Darth Maul (unless the guy was under orders not to kill them, but to actually let them get to Coruscant). Everything else makes sense as the Trade Federation exceeding their orders since they had their own greedy plans.
Or, alternatively, word of the Trade Federation occupation would eventually reach back anyway and Palpatine could make his efforts then. Perhaps his goal would have been to provoke a war then and there rather than have the Trade Federation form a separatist movement (although without clones, this would have been more difficult). So when Queen Amidala arrived, he had to modify his plan slightly, which he still was able to do because he's an evil genius.
Or, alternatively, word of the Trade Federation occupation would eventually reach back anyway and Palpatine could make his efforts then. Perhaps his goal would have been to provoke a war then and there rather than have the Trade Federation form a separatist movement (although without clones, this would have been more difficult). So when Queen Amidala arrived, he had to modify his plan slightly, which he still was able to do because he's an evil genius.
he's a Xanatos Speed Chessmaster.
They're "working for" Sidious.
They don't know Sidious is Palpatine.
Presumably, for the sake of realism Palpatine's plan expects these Neimoidians to behave in typical Neimoidian fashion.
But what does this say about Luke, and by extension the audience's, support of forced sexual slavery?
It says that Lucas thought it'd be a good plan to reel in the boys to the theater, since he had already shut his brain off permanently at that point.
Carrie Fisher complained that people couldn't tell if Leia was a woman because of the clothes she wore in the first two movies, so Lucas put her in the bikini.
Her Hoth clothes from ESB already bundled her up like an eskimo. She even had a jacket! She looked nice though.
Speaking of women I'd like to see in metal bikinis...who is that in your avatar, Dream?
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Trade Federation stuff...
Now see, it appeared to me, they acted like they wanted nothing to do with the entire scheme, but had to follow along because Sidious was scary and...underpants gnomes. They shit their robes when the Jedi showed up and nearly surrendered right then and there. They had no clue how to run an occupation, relied almost entirely on braindead droids to handle the details and then alternately whined or panicked at every setback.
I just can't see how their greed was sated by the blockade, the occupation, or the off-screen implications of mass murder (most likely lies), nor how doing everything possible to prevent the outside world from learning of their actions helped Palpatine at all. It's almost as if...
When the movie was first in production and rumors were flying, I picked up that maybe Lucas would have the mysterious Sith character and Palpatine not be the same person, in order to provide this crazy twist like the OT was able to have with Vader, only in reverse. It would seem that they were one and the same, but Palps would turn out to be an ambitious pawn who ultimately would be supplanted by the shadowy Sith Lord.
If that were, in fact, the case, then the nonsensical plans of the villains in the movies we got could actually make sense! Palps and Sidious could have been working together in secret, but also have their own more sercet-y plans that worked at cross-purposes, ending up with Palps in a stronger position, faster than Sidious had intended, Sidious' apprentice dead and the Trade Fed position on the chess board undermined by the end of the movie! Which would all lead into AOTC and Sidious building the Separatists in order to counter Palps, draw the Jedi into dangerous territory as warfighters and set up his eventual take-over, all while Sidious and Palps, still ostensibly working together towards the same goal of a Galactic Empire and no more Jedi behind the scenes, appear outwardly to be the same sinister puppet master.
But none of that happened ... and I suppose the twist for me became that there was no twist and the badguys and goodguys were both retarded, and the badguys only won because they were slightly less retarded than the goodguys.
What I guess I'm trying to say is, I wanted a The Sixth Sense/The Usual Suspects/TESB holy shit reveal at the end of it all, but I got a The Happening twist instead: The Force did it!
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Trade Federation stuff...
Now see, it appeared to me, they acted like they wanted nothing to do with the entire scheme, but had to follow along because Sidious was scary and...underpants gnomes. They shit their robes when the Jedi showed up and nearly surrendered right then and there. They had no clue how to run an occupation, relied almost entirely on braindead droids to handle the details and then alternately whined or panicked at every setback.
I just can't see how their greed was sated by the blockade, the occupation, or the off-screen implications of mass murder (most likely lies), nor how doing everything possible to prevent the outside world from learning of their actions helped Palpatine at all. It's almost as if...
When the movie was first in production and rumors were flying, I picked up that maybe Lucas would have the mysterious Sith character and Palpatine not be the same person, in order to provide this crazy twist like the OT was able to have with Vader, only in reverse. It would seem that they were one and the same, but Palps would turn out to be an ambitious pawn who ultimately would be supplanted by the shadowy Sith Lord.
If that were, in fact, the case, then the nonsensical plans of the villains in the movies we got could actually make sense! Palps and Sidious could have been working together in secret, but also have their own more sercet-y plans that worked at cross-purposes, ending up with Palps in a stronger position, faster than Sidious had intended, Sidious' apprentice dead and the Trade Fed position on the chess board undermined by the end of the movie! Which would all lead into AOTC and Sidious building the Separatists in order to counter Palps, draw the Jedi into dangerous territory as warfighters and set up his eventual take-over, all while Sidious and Palps, still ostensibly working together towards the same goal of a Galactic Empire and no more Jedi behind the scenes, appear outwardly to be the same sinister puppet master.
But none of that happened ... and I suppose the twist for me became that there was no twist and the badguys and goodguys were both retarded, and the badguys only won because they were slightly less retarded than the goodguys.
What I guess I'm trying to say is, I wanted a The Sixth Sense/The Usual Suspects/TESB holy shit reveal at the end of it all, but I got a The Happening twist instead: The Force did it!
I think he did it for the benefit of the movie in particular. RotJ was never as memorable or iconic as it's older brothers, except for the slave Leia thing. It also didn't have the most well rounded or thought out plot of the trilogy either. I think of it as "the slow child."
It says something about the movie when its most iconic image is Leia being chained to a giant slug. Oh, and The Great Teddy Bear Rebellion against the Imperial Robot Chickens.
It was really all about seeing Leia in the metal bikini.
At least for me, it was.
Sean
But no one knew that to be the case until they had already seen it, so there would be no special incentive required to get them into the theater.
Base_Delta_Zero said:
That would have been intense.
"Now is the time to tell you... I've been a ghost the whole time! Not only that... I'm also Keyser Soze! And... your father!"
"That's impossible! That's LITERALLY impossible!"
Ah, see now, if she had been posing nude in her bathroom taking pics on her iphone, I would have recognized her. That short hair makes her like a billion times hotter and she's already damn hot!
And the ghost-father Keyser Soze ending would have been awesome!