The White House has never made me laugh more than now.

[The Castellan]

I made a thread about UFO's and ET life on another, unrelated forum, and it is going pretty well. I am going to post the most significant replies here and then continue the topic after that. PLEASE be civil and courteous here and no smart alec remarks.
My posts I made will not be in italics, while other posters from the thread will be in italics. This might take a few posts to do, I'll let yas know when I am done posting the important quotes.
11-10-2011, 07:34 AM
http://www.space.com/13534-white-house-alien-life-evidence-petitions.html

While I am impressed they bothered to say anything, I am not impressed with that typical answer. Anyone with a brain in their head can see this is a lie. The White House will NOT disclose, until their backs are pushed to the wall.....they been lying to us about everything, not just UFO's, we all know government lie, and the day will come when they are finally forced to spill the beans. I can see them trying to control the spin on this even with forced to spill it, but when it happens, it will be the BEGINNING of battles for truth. I can see the CIA, FBI and other bunches of abbreviations wanting to stall it as possible. I applaud Steve Basset and Richard Dolan, and other guys who keep trying.

And presidents don't know the truth, I think....Carter, Clinton tried and failed, and they are too busy meeting folks, kissing babies, and weaseling to get re-elected.

I also want to discuss in this thread how the world will change when, not if, the truth of UFO's and alien life is know....it will be known, how politics, science, religion, energy markets, and so on.

Islam, next to Christianity, has many followers, and they are not against their beliefs against extra terrestrial life, Allah made many worlds, according to them, and they believe in them, and are more open to it, than Christians. With Christians, there will be a large divide....the new age ones will be all good and going for them....other side, the evangelical Christians, for the most part, will be opposed, looking at the aliens as demonic....I've heard many of them ranting about it. Same with scientists and engineers, many of which I know personally, are more arrogant than rock stars, will they be able to cope with the fact that they are no longer the masters of matter, and that they are not the super smart guys they think they are? The ones having the hardest dealing with the changes that will happen upon the truth coming out will be the older generations.

And with disclosure......I can see a big divide between the ones who accept it and the one who will still not believe in it. Some of the later can be like those who think it will still be a lie, and attempt to a project bluebeam.....where it's a staged alien invasion, so that we'd come begging the government to protect us....ala post 9-11 with the patriot act, or the Iraq War. My hope is that if something like that is attempted, they folks will be smart enough to see it for what it is.

I feel disclosure is going to come by either a sighting so huge that the government HAS to disclose, because even they won't be able to weasel their way out of that one, or something embarrassing to them, like a wikileaks. And when it happens, when the truth finally comes out, the door to a whole different life and future will not only be open, it will be kicked down, and once you go through that door, there's no turning back...and folks, I would not even WANT to turn back. Because guys like Steven Hawking keeps saying we should not make contact with alien life, and all I can tell him is that he's about 60 or 70 years too late, what with all the radio and television signals we've been sending out into space, so I'm sure we've drawn attention to ourselves. So, you can go hide under your bed, Steve.

And to folks who say that we will never see alien life, due to vast distances, I say that an advanced, civilized society that's millions, if not billions of years ahead of us in science and technology can travel those distances like you or me walking down the block to a convenience store to grab a bottle of soda and a pack of gum....or, for probably the most of the Joe Sixpack (and I don't mean abs) crowd, driving down the block. I've seen objects out here that move in ways that are not supposed to move, violating every rule of physics out there, we're being visited folks. And remember the news stories of the UFO's shutting down those nuclear missile silos? I think that was them showing a sign of their abilities, but in a peaceful way....and seeing as how these sightings have bee happening since early times, with cave paintings depicting these unearthly looking being, some of which looking like humanoids in space suits, and what appear to be flying vehicles in Hieroglyphs and Mayan art work, as well as Renaissance paintings, shows, to me, that we have been visited for a long time, folks. As well as people in the military and ex-military coming forward and openly talking about it, potentially risking their reputations, pensions, and maybe their freedoms, by just doing so.

And governments feel we're gonna panic, and that also they will have less control over us in general. The smart, folks...whom I call the nigh-timers, can handle it...as will most of us, we've been pretty much accustomed to the idea...and would say, when it happens, "I know it, we were right." I feel only a small amount might panic....but those are the type who's biggest concern in life is who gets kicked off Dancing with the Stars. I would be very disappointed if we never find out, just to protect the Joe Sixpacks or the Spaghetti 'n Chips Brigade. The biggest problem is the mainstream media....the Fox News, MSNBC's and tears apart believer to shreds...but spend so much time on Cassey Anthony or Kim Kardashion's domestic problems...stuff that means nothing to us. But, a silver lining is how we've changed in the past generation, I mean we've changed so much over just 20 years, hell....avenues to truths like wiki-leaks and other things that will end what I call "The Truth Embargo" by us, the people eventually FORCING those in positions or power to spill it.

And some of you are pretty much giggling and thinking I'm a nutter....but I prefer to be smart and thought of as stupid, as opposed to looking smart and being stupid. You won't believe how many times I hear people openly talking about UFO's and their experiences, be it a sighting, an abduction or whatever. My biggest gripe is that a lot of people won't often publicly talk about it, having a sort of dirty feeling when trying...seems there is some sort of cultural/political policy in their heads. But people finally talking about it, and many signing petitions for the truth is increasing.

So, I see interesting things coming in the near future.


It's sorta like the lyrics from a song I like, "I'm only getting started....I won't blackout. This time I got nothing to waste. Let's go a little harder, I'm on fire I won't blackout. I'm on my way. I'm only getting started." It's only the beginning...and once it happens, it's just the beginning.


Posts continue....

 

[The Castellan]

Another poster on that forum went:

have you ever heard from this STS 48 Shuttle Mission Video or seen it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiDvkB_rG-Q

And do you know the book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion:
Tesla, UFO's and Classified Aerospace Technology by Paul A. La Violette?


I think, that´s all...


In the 20s, 30s and 40s of the last century, physicans discovered the secret between electricity and gravitation and the effects by using ultra high voltage in condensators to create electrostatic fields around it, which also create an gravitation field, which can controlled in strength and direction. And since the 50s and 60s, the US Air Force had have their own manned space programm, Soviet Union also the same... And there was also unknown activity in Europe...


I think, mankind is since a very long time in space, and if you could see it, you would see as much traffic as in a rushhour in a big city on earth out there...

And aliens... haha... if we only take our galaxy, and say, there are 1 Billion stars, and may be only 1% or less have planets, and from there, another 1% of that solar systems have life like us, then we have something about 100000 neighbours out there...

And if only one of them has the same technology like we in the 50s of the last century or later, then...

...you know it...

Believing we are allone out there is only a really bad joke...

And if you see the next super fast moving ligth on the night sky, then it could be an interceptor or some other spacecraft of the US or Russian Space Force, back from a mission out in space or on the way to one from it´s island base somewhere in the ocean...

May be a little bit like in the famous Spacepatrol Orion Series or U.F.O. Series...

Me:
Oh, I am sure some of them are ours, though it would also mean we are lied to as well, with them being kept hidden from us...and also of alternative energy, since I doubt they run on unleaded. And hiding them from us is a crime against humanity, and also I hold those people guilty of MURDER, since we lot some good people on those god damned shuttle missions. And someone tell me, what did we accomplish via the shuttles? NOTHING, all we did for the past 30 years was going in circles in low orbit....that's not space exploration, that's just an expensive, solitaire version of NASCAR. And don't give me 'national security' for the reasons of hiding both advanced space craft we made, as well as the evidence of alien life.....national security are the two most abused used in the English Language for the past several decades, and anyone who actually supports that notion, I say go out and get sterilized, now, since we don't need more of those kind of people reproducing. We've had an entire lifetime of lies, deceit, deception, and manipulation, it's about time we make some changes happen.

And I feel many of the species out there are much older than us...our sun is the little kids amongst a group of old fogies, and I would not be surprised if many of the alien races are millions, if not billions of years older than us. So imagine what they accomplished. And they themselves are going to make the truth come out, by showing themselves to us....they already have been for the past 50 or 60 years, but in a much bigger way.


Her:

In this book from Paul A.La Violette, it´s descriped, that the NASA is only a diversion from the real Space Programm under Control of the Air Force.

And, if you think about, it was the Air Force, who had plans for manned & armed moon bases and/or in orbit, and that in the 1950s.

And if it´s true, that the B2 Bomber is ready for space flight, then think about the other so called "Stealth Fighter/Bombers" like the F-117, SR-71 "Blackbird" or the mysteriouse Auora Programm for Hypersonicflights... They all have enough power by their jet engins to power magnetic dynamic generators for supporting electrostatic fields for gravitation field flight...

The Space Shuttle´s technology/princip is from the 1940s, also every rocket based space programm... All of this is already out of time, even like the ISS in orbit...

Junk for billions of Dollars, nothing more, to hid the real space programms...

It´s only a question of money, not technology, to conquer & control the sol system and travel to other systems...

So, think about the lost thousands of billions!!! in the household of the US or other countries in the world...

Me:

I say put the conquers out of business, that 5% of humanity, and have the 95% of humanity, the good people, say what is to be done.

Also, may I suggest Monuments of Mars and Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA, both by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Berra, that talks about the beginnings of NASA and the politics involved...including how America sold its soul by bringing Nazi's, as well as Masons and Magicians (Allister Crowley's folks) to run NASA. And it also goes over the stuff on the Moon (why do you think we have not sent anyone there for the past 40 years? Or that JFK was killed just 10 days after he and Russian leader planned on a JOINT space mission to the moon, as allies, sharing what they would find and effectively end cold war...which was nothing but a decades long, and unnecessary JOKE and make something for ourselves) and Mars....in forms of structures that can be measures in miles, as well as all sorts of stuff, including the ritualistic nature that NASA secretly runs on.

Also, this site, www.enterprisemission.com, Hoagland's site, has tons of stuff about what we are typing here. And he's not some crackpot making stuff up, he's got a list of credentials and gives the math and science to back what is found...and many other scientists and researchers have verified these as well. It's great reading, especially in the 2005 and 2005 archives.

I am glad this thread's going so well, and civil. Had I tried it on ________, or _______, this thread would have been torn to shreds by now.

Her:

I think they are less than 1%...

Yeah, but the question is also, if todays society could handle that stuff... This is the point, where peolple in high positions say, "What should we do? Most people can´t handle the truth... ...so, we must keep it secret..."

On the other side, is this the effect of the whole system/society today, that most people are to dumb for so many things... It´s created by the system, by the people, who hid things like extraterrestian life or activity on moon, mars, and who knows where else...

That´s what I had known also before. (I hadn´t read those books, but other books and websites, which go in the same direction.)

Do you know the book[FONT=Arial]Extraterrestrial Archaeology (Alternative Science) [/FONT]from David Hatcher Childress? I don´t know, if that is the book I mean, I had have the german book [FONT=Arial]Archäologie im Weltraum: Außerirdische in unserem Sonnensystem[/FONT] by David Hatcher Childress, so [FONT=Arial]Extraterrestrial Archaeology (Alternative Science) [/FONT]could be the english version of that book.

Remote Viewer Ingo Swann has also written some very interessting books about the moon and ET life...

That´s what I hadn´t known before. Thanks for that, sounds very, very interessting...

Thanks, interessting site. I had heard/read about Hoagland before, he analyzed also that STS 48 Shuttle Mission Video (you will find all of this on youtube).

Ok, a Tgirl Board may be not so the right forum for such stuff, but on the other hand, you need only the right people, to share such stuff...

I´m interessting in science, secret history, advanced technology, space exploration, ET life and so on since my childhood... My grandfather had gave me such books like above since I was able to read them, later I discovered the internet and so on...

I don´t get along with most people, because, see above, most are to dumb, to talk about such things, they are only interessted in everydays life, their work, nothing more...

If I could, I would like to discover & exploration those things all by myself. I think, this would be the greatest thing in my life, even if it would be high dangerous and riskfull, but also very exciting...

Me:
To quote James T. Kirk:

Risk IS the business!



Anyhow, I think people are ready for the truth. The whole mass panic thing is just one of their excuses to hide everything, but the real reason of hiding it is POWER. The Ted Turners, the Rockefellers, even folks like the Royal Family (they got more say so in that part of the world than most Americans realize) all think like this. Ted Turner even said having that much power over people is "better than sex!" and a lot of these folks would rather let an entire population be destroyed than give up their power.

I think, I know, that people won't go crazy and kill each other....like we seen in early science fiction films....hell, I think everyone's ready because of all these science fiction films, I think Hollywood's in on it, as well. I personally think that the only people having problems are the older, evangelical folks who thinks anything having to do with ET life is demonic, and the older generations....since change always is hardest on the older folks.

I also notice more people are beginning to wake up and talk about this stuff, openly, so that's a good sign. So all of us willing to talk about it, and not be in the closet, so to speak, about this issue is a big step. I go out and talk about it openly, all over, I am often reading about as I go, and people ask me what I am reading, I show them and they go, "Wow, I saw something weird in the sky, once" or "I always did wonder about that face on Mars" and so on. I mean civil and gay rights would not be a reality now if people would not openly discuss about them and keep their mouths shut. As soon as the next conference for UFO's/ET life is in a pretty close distance to me, I'm going, along with my own researches to share with the folks there, and seeing what they might have. So yea, I think we'll see the truth come in our lifetimes.

Her:

Yes, that´s right, but it seems, they lost their power more and more...

That could be right, by the way, there is also an interessting book about that theme: Discerning Alien Disinformation by Montalk, see on http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1

It´s about the question, what´s the real thing behind all that alien stuff, hollywood, etc.

Do we hope so, the time is there for it, humanity should awake...

Another thing I thought about even:

That thing with that american - russian joint venture for a moon mission in the 1960s... First, they had say, there was never an russian manned moon programm, then after decades of silence, they had said, there was also an russian/soviet manned moon programm, but it failed and was given up...

Todays version of it is, the soviet N1 moon rocket, "Herkules", was a fail construction, the first stage failed all time, because of it´s very complicated 30 engine design, which was never tested on the ground, because of no money for an place to test it at full power on the ground.

So, every soviet Moon rocket was lost in a big fireball, the "Herkules" reached never an orbit, nor the moon. By ran out of money, the soviets closed all their moon programms, a chief engineer was killed by the soviet system, for his outage, to construct a flyable moon rocket...

Official, there was never an soviet cosmonaut on the moon...

But is that really the truth?

What, if the "Herkules" was successful, and the soviets also had brought three cosmonauts to the moon in the 1960s and landed on it´s surface, may be together with the american Apollo astronauts?!

If it´s true, that the NASA is lying us about the real things which happened on the moon in 1969 and later, and if that pictures from the moon in 1969 were really only pictures from a studio on earth like out of hollywood (like in the movie Mission Capricorn with that faked Mars landing), then it could be also true, that the Soviet Union and later the Russian Federation perhaps lyed their whole moon missions by giving out, that there was never an successful Lift off and their whole moon programm failed?!

Who knows...

Perhaps life their hundreds or thousands of people on moon and/or mars or other outposts in space since decades, and we know nothing about it on earth...

Or we have extraterrestian neighbours more nearly to us, than we could imagine...

Or, who knows, perhaps is our earth also only an old colony, and humanitys real origin is very, very far away...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

May I have the moment's tl; dr ?

 

[The Castellan]

Her:

Yes, that´s right, but it seems, they lost their power more and more...

That could be right, by the way, there is also an interessting book about that theme: Discerning Alien Disinformation by Montalk, see on http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1

It´s about the question, what´s the real thing behind all that alien stuff, hollywood, etc.

Do we hope so, the time is there for it, humanity should awake...

Another thing I thought about even:

That thing with that american - russian joint venture for a moon mission in the 1960s... First, they had say, there was never an russian manned moon programm, then after decades of silence, they had said, there was also an russian/soviet manned moon programm, but it failed and was given up...

Todays version of it is, the soviet N1 moon rocket, "Herkules", was a fail construction, the first stage failed all time, because of it´s very complicated 30 engine design, which was never tested on the ground, because of no money for an place to test it at full power on the ground.

So, every soviet Moon rocket was lost in a big fireball, the "Herkules" reached never an orbit, nor the moon. By ran out of money, the soviets closed all their moon programms, a chief engineer was killed by the soviet system, for his outage, to construct a flyable moon rocket...

Official, there was never an soviet cosmonaut on the moon...

But is that really the truth?

What, if the "Herkules" was successful, and the soviets also had brought three cosmonauts to the moon in the 1960s and landed on it´s surface, may be together with the american Apollo astronauts?!

If it´s true, that the NASA is lying us about the real things which happened on the moon in 1969 and later, and if that pictures from the moon in 1969 were really only pictures from a studio on earth like out of hollywood (like in the movie Mission Capricorn with that faked Mars landing), then it could be also true, that the Soviet Union and later the Russian Federation perhaps lyed their whole moon missions by giving out, that there was never an successful Lift off and their whole moon programm failed?!

Who knows...

Perhaps life their hundreds or thousands of people on moon and/or mars or other outposts in space since decades, and we know nothing about it on earth...

Or we have extraterrestian neighbours more nearly to us, than we could imagine...

Or, who knows, perhaps is our earth also only an old colony, and humanitys real origin is very, very far away...

Me:
Here's some interesting tidbits...all of which are in Dark Mission: The secret history of NASA...the book will go into more detail than I can, simply because if I were to type all my stuff here, I'd have like 30 posts, each several pages long.

The fake moon landing...just a sham...with its origins explained. Hoagland was there at where all the press and so on were with the Apollo mission, and Hoagland saw a man, WITH the head honcho of Apollo. This mysterious guy was handing out pamphlets, which had a Mylar American flag, and the pamphlet said the moon landing was all a fake. WHY would this guy even be allowed to be there to hand these things out, in the presence of the top most authority of NASA and the moon mission? To make people look the other way. The people who'd be asking "What did you find on the moon?" would now say, "There's nothing to be found because we did not go!" I call it a conspiracy in a conspiracy.

And the '68 moon mission, the press conference was held up, because they said the craft needs to be in such and such range, due to interference from the mountains. Hoagland, who was there also, did the mathematical equations regarding the range and so on...for that to work, the mountains had to be 5,000 miles high! It turns out one of the main reporters got drunk the previous night and the conference was delayed so he'd sober up. If NASA would lie about something so trivial, imagine the lies spoken regarding the big stuff.

And the flight recorders of one of the earlier Apollo missions had one of the astronauts go, "Whoa, we nearly hit that!" Question is WHAT did they nearly hit? And they were 8 or 9 miles above the lunar surface, and recently leaked out pictures, also in the Dark Mission book, which were saved by a NASA employee who was ordered to destroy the images, did the right thing, and saved one set so the knowledge would not be lost forever, shows glass structures, akin to towers, whose heights are in MILES, as well as domes. And glass made in space are four times stronger than steel. And many amateur astronomers with good telescopes have been able to spot these. I think that Apollo ship nearly smashed into one of those towers or domes.

Here's also some articles on the US/Russian joint space venture both Kennedy and Khrushchev agreed to....and Kennedy, the ONLY president I can think of who actually CARED for people, got his brain splattered all over his wife's blouse only 10 days later, and Khrushchev soon was put under house arrest for life. Imagine what could have happened, had things been different. http://www.enterprisemission.com/newfrontier.htm
If I could go back in time and change only ONE point in history, it would have been back in '63.

America sold its soul. http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun2.htm Von Braun was no better than the other Nazi's...in fact Himmler personally attended Von Braun's induction ceremony, something he RARELY did with anyone. He also took part in executions, and at least one time, ordered executions. And he was not a poor, miserable German who was forced to work in the German equivalent of the gulag. On the contrary...he was from a VERY well off family, his father was a baron in the agriculture industry, and Von Braun was a "The only good Jew is a dead Jew, heil Hitler!" Nazi. Him and his Nazi chums who were brought over to America, already having beat the system, since Truman stated no Nazi's in Operation Paperclip, openly spoke their political and social viewpoints and wore their Nazi medals and displayed swastikas in public, even the bar they went to in the Texas town they worked in had a swastika on the front sign of the bar....in post ww2, 1950's America!

And why were Apollo astronauts, when asked about their experiences on the moon, can't remember at all, or like Aldrin, go into full out panic attacks, they run outside and vomit in a back ally? Or Armstrong's cryptic, 1994 message to some kids who were touring NASA:
"...we have only completed a beginning; we leave you much that is undone... there are... breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief..." Protective layers? I think NASA did something to these poor guys...be it threaten or condition them....and even one of the astronaut's wife, who was a nurse at the Apollo debriefing, can't remember. What was sooooooo important that it had to be hidden, at the costs of the astronauts' mental well being for Christ sakes?

And with the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, which has a powerful camera that has an 11 inch per pixel resolution...where from 180 miles above, it could take a picture of my cat on the backyard picnic table....why do so and send a 720 million dollar probe to Mars if NASA said there's nothing there? Why so much trouble is there's nothing there but piles of rocks? And they said it was the most powerful probe sent to a foreign planet. A foreign planet...I never heard that term used before.

But I think NASA knows the jig is up. Asteroid Vesta, a big asteroid, is currently being examined by a probe....but out of the tens of thousands of pictures it takes, we pretty much are getting, get this, one picture a week. HUH?! But here's the interesting bit...they are in the best picture format you can get, as opposed to the sloppy Jpegs we've been getting for years before...and we know how shitty Jpegs can be when it comes to putting them under a photo shop to examine them better. I even shown some of these pictures to the most hardcore skeptics who never believe in any of this and they went, "My god....there's structures all over the damned thing!" Even infrared scans show the structures are of different chemical compositions than the asteroid itself. I think it's like the Issac Assamov Foundation trilogy. That was about this evil empire, and this smaller group called the Foundation that predicted the fall of the empire. The empire gets word of this, and kills the entire foundation....BUT the empire did not know there was a SECOND Foundation, deep within the heart of the empire, who then went and destroyed it from the inside. I think the same is happening, now. Because we are actually getting these images of Vesta, which they did not have to, but are. I think NASA is finally being forced to spill the beans, but, they are, however, taking as much time as they can to do so, maximum delay you can call it. It's like a bratty kid sent to the principle's office, he goes the office, but will go as slow as he can before he gets there. I think NASA knows the game is almost up, and doing anything they can before the ship goes down. Why do you think there's so much fear porn when it comes to 2012 and stuff like comet Ellenine?

They are dragging it out, and hoping we'll be too scared to do anything, ala Y2K. I feel next year is not the end of the world, folks, it's going to be the end of how we think and look at things as know it. It's going to be a new beginning, and I for one, welcome change and a new beginning.

I'll post some more stuff here later on.

EDIT: Fairy, here's some fascinating reading regrading if man is older than he is. http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm It's long reading, and part 7 is still not up, yet, gotta wait for that. But what's there is awesome stuff.

Her:

Sounds very interessting...

I know, the fascists hadn´t lost the war, they alived overseas in another form. The war was only lost by the folk and may be the good royales, who wanted something new, which was not a fascistic controlled world... Think about Nikola Tesla, the so called "Allgerman Society for Metaphysic" (Alldeutsche Gesellschaft für Metaphysik, later known than "Vril-Society", Vril-Gesellschaft) under leadership of the charsimatic Maria Orsitsch, and founded in 1922, who had planed and may be build spaceships by using groundbreaking new physics for primitiv builded engines & power plants, which used simply but effectiv electromagnetic dynamic effects to create gravitation fields around the craft; Johannes the Täufer and so on...

There exists a story, that they had flew during the end of WW II to Mars (and may be more), and had seen the ruins on it´s surface and giant caves...

It´s not really more a secret, that mindcontroll is used to hid peoples real memory or controll them in other ways...

I think so also...


Ok, hehe...

Wow, really hard stuff, but on the other hand, I had heard long time before from that theory for exampel, that our earth moon is hollow and artificial and may be a giant space ship...

And that more from the "Star Wars" Movies is true, than we can imagine, had I thougth all the time...

Me:
Yes, I feel guys like Lucas, Roddenberry, Clark, and Spielberg are in the know, and getting the majority of folks ready for things....and seeing little kids with stuffed toys of aliens, I think we're more than ready.

Yea, and I heard that the moon's older than our Earth, so that makes one stop and think. And it did 'ping' like a bell. And while they said the seismic devices the Apollo guys left on the moon are turned off, I don't think so. First, they are atomic powered, meaning they'd be good for many, many, many years. Two, they said it costed $300,000 a year, in 1960's money, and let's be real, folks....$300,000 dollars is nothing but coffee money for NASA.

Here's some neat stuff, about how someone might have known about the face on Mars, 20 years before we first saw it in the 1970's.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm

http://www.enterprisemission.com/forbidden-planet.htm

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Los...sofBarsoom.htm

http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html

Her:

Another interessting thing: Have you ever read From The Earth To The Moon and Around The Moon by Jules Verne?

In Around The Moon they fly around the moon, and see also the dark side of the Moon with clouds in an atmosphere, water, and - ruins...

And in From The Earth To The Moon, the first part of that novel, they build a giant gun in south Florida, and shot three man to the Moon, which landed in their balistic canonball in the ocean, after flying around the moon, and get picked up by a ship...

If you now think, thats the flight plan of Apollo 8...

...this was written in the 19th century...

From where had Jules Verne his ideas for such novels?!

Remote Viewing towards time?

Physical Timetravelers?

Me:
That, or someone took him there. Native Americans spoke of beings from the sky coming down and taking them places. Like those Nazca lines....on the ground they look like nothing, but above they are huge pictures....they, like the face on Mars, were meant to be seen way up in the sky.

I found the view master reels online, here.
http://www.solarguard.com/tcvmintro.htm, scroll down to see them.

Von Braun KNEW....I think his past in SS, and their obsession with the occult, like Hitler himself had, led him to this information. And with the 19.5's, tetrahedrons, exploded planet theory, anti-gravity and free energy....no way in hell is it a coincidence, and I never believed in coincidence to begin with, anyhow.

It will be a nightmare for the power mongers when, not if, we find out the truth.

Her:

From http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm :

This is also interessting... you know the "Wing Commander" Games Series?


From http://www.solarguard.com/tcreel3.htm :
Who knows...

They where also telephatic, so called Transcommunication, experiments by the Vril-Society in the 1920s and later...

And there was a contact to the SS later in the 1940s in technology things, and also in occult, magical things (Wewelsburg Castle, Himmlers planed occult centrum of the SS, telepathic power by using very long female hair and so on)...

But, who knows, what we can read about this time nowadays might be also only the top of the icemountain...

Me:
These, I feel, are the reason we have not gone to the moon, officially, for the past 39 years, and doing nothing but play orbital NASCAR in those piece of shit space shuttles, instead of real space exploration. Remember, if NASA finds it, they will hide it, at any cost.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Missing-Apollo.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/datashead.htm

I would not be surprised if "Data's head" is sitting in some military vault, one that probably does not even 'officially' exist, or is perhaps a reason Dubya wanted to go back to the moon, and why several other countries, like China, Iran, and even India...some of these countries who can't even afford to feed themselves, want to also get to the moon. My biggest problem is that the space program should be done comparatively, and not competitively, because if the latter is allowed, whatever found on the Moon that they want so badly might not be made public, and those in power will keep all the good stuff, while the rest of us continue to struggle with our problems and be still trapped using oil, Newtonian and Einsteinian physics, chemical rockets, and back stab each other for the sake of getting more material possessions that won't mean a damn in the long run, or just rot our brains even more while watching Dancing with the Stars. Some of you folks might be fine with the ongoing routine of waking up, going to work, coming home, watching reality TV, drinking beer, and going to bed, until the day you die....but not all of us. I say there's more, a hell of a lot more, than just being a behaved little tax payer, despite what mainstream media will tell you.

more coming....

 

[Pingfah]

I made a thread about UFO's and ET life on another, unrelated forum, and it is going pretty well. I am going to post the most significant replies here and then continue the topic after that. PLEASE be civil and courteous here and no smart alec remarks.
My posts I made will not be in italics, while other posters from the thread will be in italics. This might take a few posts to do, I'll let yas know when I am done posting the important quotes.

Are you done yet? I'm on the edge of my seat.

 

[The Castellan]

Me:
Remember, the cat has always been associated with higher beings and thought...suppose the cats worshiped in ancient Egypt were not merely because they saved their grain supplies from rodents, or a mere tribal god image....but a link from those same cat like people described? Cats in those days were cherished more than people, probably even the Pharaohs, and cats are seen all over in other religions, specifically the lion, which makes up the right side of the face on Cydonia, and asymmetrical faces are not uncommon, many tribal masks feature them as well, and asymmetry was mentioned in here:

And it [the temple] was made with cherubims and palm tress, so that a palm tree was between a cherub and a cherub; and every cherub had two faces. So that the face of a man was toward the palm tree on one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side; it was made through all the house round about - Ezekiel 41:18-19

And a lot of scientists, the mainstream ones will say anything, to keep from being officially wrong. Case in point, the recently discovered pyramids below the Pacific Ocean, just off Japan, on a submerged underwater island called Yonagumi. Archeologists were quick to point out the various characteristics that identified the structures as artificial, monumental architecture. Geologists that identified with a series of equally reasoned arguments based on the biases of their science, that natural processes could explain all the data points just as much. to most observers, the winning argument was made obvious by looking at the pictures, The underwater pyramids were blatantly artificial, yet the debates went on for years. It was only when a team of divers sent by Discovery discovered an amazing underwater face, complete with a Mesoamerican headdress (a lion's mane?), that some of the geologists relented. The new findings, joined with some key observations by Japanese marine biologists, finally broke the dam and forced the admission of the obvious, somebody built those things. Same goes for Cydonia. If the stuff on Cydonia is artificial, as I believe they are, have archeologists look at them first, and geologists afterwords. The simple fact is that when dealing with a problem outside their own discipline, and therefore limited experience, most scientists, from whatever field, will resort to any familiar explanation from that field, and than stick to it, no matter how silly or contradictory it turns out to be. Brookings even said that the most devastated people, when concerned with the discovery of artifacts or alien life, would be scientists of all stripes. Which, only justifies what I have said for years, scientists, mostly mainstream ones, are as arrogant as rock stars and pro athletes. They don't want to admit that they are no longer the uppermost masters over nature....there's folks out there, humanoid and not, whose technology would make our advanced stuff look like prehistoric junk, and our science be akin to the Earth being flat and it being the center of the universe, especially if they can build a mile sized face on Cydonia, and glass towers on the moon miles in height.

But, the medicine may taste bad, scientists, but it's the only way the patients, you, are going to get well....so I say grow up, don't cry that you're not the top of the totem pole, and deal with it....if conservative Muslims, who have been given flak, especially the past decade, are fine with the proof of alien life, than so can you.

Her:

"playing orbital NASCAR"

:mrgreen: I havn´t laughed so much since a long time... this word combination is so outstanding, and true, no more description needed, what todays "spaceflights" are... If it wouldn´t so bad, it would be the super running gag... :mrgreen:

NASA is under military controll, astronauts are military personal, so what, no more questions needed...

You know, for what NASA really stands? --> Never A Straight Answer

This is also very interessting...

Yeah, you are so damn right...!

Me:
Been saying the same thing about what those letters stand for. Hence, why I am so for privately owned space programs, because they have no Brookings, which NASA seems to treat like Trek's prime directive (the only thing in Trek I criticize strongly), to the point they'll swear lives to protect, our lives. I say if NASA can't handle the truth, I say DESTROY NASA, it's outlived its usefulness, and it's time to have a REAL space agency, one that does not pledge to enforce outdated, useless drivel.

Her:

But the Problem isnt only the NASA itself, the people behind it are the main problem...

And it;s not only about hidding extraterrestian life or artefacts, its also hidding our real level of technology on earth, who is hidden before us...

The problem they have is that:

If things like gravitation control would be part of our society, we would have grand new ways of transportation. It would be a lot of easier for everyone, to come to every destination, someone wants.

Right now, there are more and more upcoming plans with flying cars based on normal based technology, and no one knows, how to handle that upcoming way of new transportation...

So, and now imagine this with another, the gravitation itself controlling, technology, like in "Star Wars" or so on...

You cant no more hold people on one place...

And yeah, imagine, what would happen, if a group of young people could fly to space as easy as driving a car on a highway, discovering themself, what;s out there...

--> Horror for every political system on earth, borders would be meaningless or could be no more really controlled...

Me:
I got a feeling that MOST of the folks at NASA have no idea, and probably never even heard of Brookings. They probably think they are dealing with the most advanced technology made, same with the guys who go on the shuttle....I mean who would want to go on those dangerous things otherwise? I feel that the top 1-5% are the ones in the know. Like Mike Malin of JPL, he gets so annoyed when he hears of the face on Mars...so much he went to Hoagland's appearances and blasted a bullhorn each time anyone tried to ask Hoagland questions about Cydonia....and he was the one who made the infamous 'catbox' photo of the face, where he tried to make it look like a natural feature. He said even photographing Cydonia is out of the question or hard to view....yet taking pictures of the Apollo was ok, and he got a lot of scientists working at JPL mad, cause he spent so much time on the Mars probo labs, and most of the time was about Cydonia.

Her:
T

hat could be right.

From http://www.peterson.af.mil/main/welcome.asp :

The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and win...in air, space and cyberspace.

On Peterson AFB, the Air Force Space Command has its headquarter, see also on http://www.afspc.af.mil/index.asp

In 2002, Gary Mc Kinnon shall have highjacked their computer system, and had may be found a list of "Extraterrestian Officers" and a list called "Transfer from Fleet to Fleet" in an database of the Air Force Space Command. And he shall also have found a list with names of ships, where he had found out, that they are no names of Marinships...

In 1963!!, a group of 8 generals from the USAF shall have spoken out, that they have a early-warning system of a net of satellites around Mercur, Venus, Earth, Mars and some other planets far away to protect against three enemys:

Soviet Union, Redchina, and - Extraterrestians from outer space.

And the Soviet Union shall have never been made the race in space, that shall be only a lie for the congress to get more money, the first satellite shall not been the so called "Sputnik" in 1957, but a Air Force satellite launched by an advanced V2 (A4) Rocket in 1948...

And the Air Force shall have their own Space Shuttle System since 1976, based on Johnston Island in the Pacific Ocean, to support their own moon base...

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnston_Atoll :

In 2003, all structures and facilities, including those used in JACADS, were removed, and the runway was marked closed.

Under a picture of the rigth side: The base was closed and the airport deactivated on June 15, 2004.

But what happened before...

In 1962, the island shall be conterminated by plutonium from a failed missle launch. Radioaktiv contermination could be the best way, to keep people outside of forbidden area... Who knows...

Quote:
Like Mike Malin of JPL, he gets so annoyed when he hears of the face on Mars...so much he went to Hoagland's appearances and blasted a bullhorn each time anyone tried to ask Hoagland questions about Cydonia....and he was the one who made the infamous 'catbox' photo of the face, where he tried to make it look like a natural feature. He said even photographing Cydonia is out of the question or hard to view....yet taking pictures of the Apollo was ok, and he got a lot of scientists working at JPL mad, cause he spent so much time on the Mars probo labs, and most of the time was about Cydonia.
See above...

And it;s also told, that NASA threats and blackmail people, who find out the truth...

Me:
Hence why NASA has to GO, NOW. What's the point of a space program, if all it does is hide stuff and keep the truth from us....to the point they are ready to do many despicable acts to make sure we stay in ignorant bliss.....that's just wrong. And Brookings has NO good use, all it's good for is lining a bird's cage. Had it not been for Brookings, we would have had the truth, years ago, and maybe actually have cities or at least small settlements on the Moon or Mars, plus access to MUCH more superior energy, and not the overrated, inefficient mineral slime that we are slaves to today. Plus just knowing, for sure, that we are not alone, would both be humbling and exciting. Plus we need role models for kids, and exploring space would be such an area for it....because, apart from Optimus Prime, kids can't look up to a robot for a role model, and right now, robots get all the excitement of exploration out there, and get more truths than we do. So I say we need a new space agency that does not answer to the military, and not on some self inflicted Prime Directive, or 'truth embargo' as I call it, and we can get some progress. I refuse to believe that what we got now is all there is, and become another Joe Six Pack. Personally, I've gotten to the point where I am starting to hate Joe Six Pack, and because all this secrecy is to supposedly protect him from himself.....I not only wanna see NASA fall, I want to go pop Joe Six Pack's tops, all six of them. ~cracks knuckles~

And as I mentioned, the Manhattan UFO sighting, last year, was a huge thing, and thousands saw it....and it made it on every new station. And DID everyone run away, screaming? Nope. Did they all begin to fight, loot stores, and kill each other and themselves? Nope, nope, and nope. They were all calm, and they were all excited and thrilled, and, for probably the first time in their lives, they said it gave them a sense of HOPE. Also, the news media, surprisingly, did not tear this one to shreds, and actually reported this stuff quite respectively. So....NASA.....so....every military and government agency......you were WRONG! To quote Ace Ventura, "A LOSER! A LAHOOZ-ZA-HER!"
Telling the truth, now, will make it a little easier on you, folks, because if it gets to the point where the aliens show up themselves, be them benevolent or malevolent, you're going to be having a LOT to explain, and you won't be having any way to get out of that one.

Post continues....

 

[Candlelight]

My 2011 attention span would like this condensed into six words, or maybe an app I can download from the appstore?

 

[Pingfah]

My 2011 attention span would like this condensed into six words

That's easy, just pick any six words at random. Same thing.

 

[Candlelight]

My 2011 attention span would like this condensed into six words

That's easy, just pick any six words at random. Same thing.

The OP said no smart aleck remarks. Guess I bollockeds that one up.

 

[iguana_tonante]

PLEASE be civil and courteous here and no smart alec remarks.

Then I fail to see the reason for this thread.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

May I have the moment's tl; dr ?

You may. Amen, brother!

 

[Colonel Green]

Do you seriously think anyone is going to read all of that?

 

[The Castellan]

Her:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/624/464/Claim:_Secret_American_Base_Discovered_on_Moon.html Claim: Secret American Base Discovered on Moon
...

A parade of military officers, aircraft controllers and former intelligence personnel appeared before the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. during 2010. Among them was ex-Naval Intelligence officer Milton Cooper.

Cooper testified before the assembled press that during his career the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) briefed him—as part of his duty profile—about a base located inside a shallow crater on the Moon. He claimed the codename of the base—appropriately enough—is Luna, the formal name for the Moon.

Factions within the Pentagon, specifically the United States Navy, happened upon evidence that the Moon is inhabited and that at least one base exists. Circumstantial evidence also makes some suspect that other bases exist on the far side of the Moon.

Another Disclosure Project participant, former US Air Force sergeant Karl Wolfe, testified that "I was asked to go over to this facility on Langley Air Force base where the National Security Agency (NSA) was bringing in the information from the Lunar Orbiter." [Disclosure Project]

"They took me into this laboratory, I took a look at the equipment, there was an 'Airman 2nd Class' in there, and I was an A2C as well."

Wolfe went on to testify that "We walked over to one side of the lab and [I was told], 'by the way we've discovered a base on the backside of the Moon.'"

According to Wolfe's deposition, the NSA man showed the Airman a mosaic of the lunar surface photographed by the Lunar Orbiter "...he pulled out one of these mosaics and showed this base which had geometric shapes, there were towers, spherical buildings, there were very tall towers and things that somewhat looked like radar dishes...but they were large
structures."

...

From Part II: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/624/4...SplittedPage=2

Among the exotic space capable craft that may well be ferrying military personnel between the Earth and Lunar bases is the TR-3b. The designation is not the official military name, but one that has been "assigned" to the mystery craft by aerospace insiders that have been kept out of the need-to-know loop.

The TR-3b has been seen by witnesses leaving or arriving at some USAF bases such as Scott Air Force base in Missouri and Wright-Patterson in Ohio.
...

The craft is utterly silent, stealthy, and is not designed to fly through the atmosphere. Many witnesses describe the platform as gliding and swiveling when it changes vector. The frame is not an airfoil and it does not bank when it turns, it just points its nose in the new direction when it changes its vector.

Me:
Yep, the base sticks out like a thumb, even in the unenhanced picture, it's like what the picture I showed ya in Van Braun's Disney film.

And there's a guy who uses those generation night vision goggles, and shows those triangle craft in the air, and what looks like laser beams coming from them, like something from Star Wars. Also shows there ARE superior forms of energy, no way would those things run on unleaded. I so would LOVE to hear some people TRY to give some sort of justification as to the secrecy and taking any actions, no matter how barbaric, to keep the truth hidden from us and all of us stupid and ignorant...I so want to hear/read what those assholes have to say, and so I can tell them what they can go to with their national security bullshit or whatever silly oaths they take, plus I'd love to see how defensive they'll get. WE are THEIR bosses, not vise versa, we pay their salaries, and they are OUR bitches...we need to get our control of government and military back, and not have these power mongers keep us all in the dark. We have a RIGHT to know, not a need to know basis....though government and military thinks otherwise....and I am rooting for the guys in Egypt, Libya and the Wallstreet protesters.....yea, some of you folks just roll your eyes, shout tinfoil hat, and go back to blissfully watching Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, Sunday Afternoon Football or Nascar...go ahead and live in a rut, but I wanna know what this universe is about....not some silly concept of materialism than runs rampant, especially here in the states. If an alien vessel landed and the occupants offered me a ride and can travel the stars, but never come back to Earth, I'd go...just let me pack a few changes of clothes, my barbell set and my cat, and off I go, while flipping off the world, but stopping to over the white house, and then NASA, long enough for everyone to see, and then be off.

There's bases on the moon, and many books showing these craters, made prior to 1973, shows these bases, since NASA did not perfect airbrushing until then...and the early attempts, shows airbrushing done, since whole solid structures that were shown are just gone....without a trace and large objects do not simply disappear.

Her

The designation is not the official military name, but one that has been "assigned" to the mystery craft by aerospace insiders that have been kept out of the need-to-know loop.

Me:
Pffft, I feel so sorry and have pity on those people who go with that compartmentalization and "need-to-know" crap. They could have done something better, more beneficial, but instead work and live like a 'well behaved, tax playing honey bee, or ant'.


Me again:
Here's a cool video to watch, Fairy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI5BzQ4VwNk

Here's some comments on the video that I found that I liked

People fear the possibility that their entire belief systems are flawed. Thats why they become psychologically insecure and why you see so many nasty personal insults in the comments of videos concerning space, nasa, aliens or apollo 11. Look at any video and see the raw fear manifesting as hatred towards strangers in the comments.

I guess too many people are scared to death of being free; they want to be told what opinions to hold as that's easy on the brain and fits with what the "boss" is saying. Hence the reason why they fight so hard for their slavery. Such types need our compassion more than anything else.

Screw the insecure people and their belief system, we want answers! wooooooooooo!

At least since the inception of the Catholic Church science has more closely resembled politics than a search for knowledge.

I'd like to give those people a cookie, each.

A newer poster on the forum then said:

I liked the video it raises some interesting questions i'd like to hear answers too.

And me, today:
Excellent. It's good to see more and more people opening up and asking these questions, and speaking about it, without fear of ridicule. We deserve the truth, we need the truth, and we demand the truth.

There we go, that's all the quotes. Sorry if I made a lot of reading required before we could start discussing, but I really, really felt it necessary to do so, since some folks on another forum Pm'ed me, saying they wanted to speak their minds, and that they believed in most, if not all, that I spoke about, but were worried they'd be ridiculed and laughed at for speaking up. So, if you believe in this, and maybe had even your own experiences, speak up. No one's going to call you a "tinfoil hat wearing crackpot", trust me...on some other forums, that was one of the more polite things they called me.

 

[The Castellan]

May I have the moment's tl; dr ?

Sorry, laser....don't know why it came out like that. I'm cleaning up the quoting anomalies as I see them.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm drinking today pretty heavily. I don't normally drink at all, but since today is a holiday in the US, I thought I'd get drunk. No red spell-check lines, so, so far so good.

Now, since I'm drinking so much, I won't be able to read all that stuff you posted.

But, I was wondering: How does the emblem of the Air Force Space Command constitute evidence in the UFO debate? You've got that sucker posted in your text stream there, so I just thought I'd ask.

 

[The Castellan]

I'm drinking today pretty heavily. I don't normally drink at all, but since today is a holiday in the US, I thought I'd get drunk. No red spell-check lines, so, so far so good.

Now, since I'm drinking so much, I won't be able to read all that stuff you posted.

But, I was wondering: How does the emblem of the Air Force Space Command constitute evidence in the UFO debate? You've got that sucker posted in your text stream there, so I just thought I'd ask.

Well, might take a lot more pages to explain, and there is some links and some info posted. I suggest waiting until the booze leaves your system before you start reading.

 

[ryan123450]

I didn't read this whole thread, just the first few paragraphs of the opening post, and I'm sure you'll all bash me after I post this, but...

The TrekBBS has never made me laugh more than now.

 

[tighr]

There was a lot of information in there to digest, and I'll admit that I read the first two posts before skimming the rest. I had several things I wanted to comment on, but it just kept going on and on and on, and I forgot most of them. (This, coincidentally, is why I like forums, because they allow you to discuss things one at a time. Posting large blocks of text doesn't allow anyone else to engage in the conversation).

I wanted to touch on the claim that NASA is a waste of billions of dollars that could have been better spent towards other things if the USAF already has the technology for interplanetary travel. I disagree; I don't think the money is a "waste". The money was spent somewhere, and put to good use. It's a fallacy to claim that money is ever "wasted", because for every dollar you spend, that's a dollar someone ELSE has to spend on something else. So I doubt the money was wasted, it was just spent in ways that we don't quite realize yet.

 

[The Castellan]

I didn't read this whole thread, just the first few paragraphs of the opening post, and I'm sure you'll all bash me after I post this, but...

The TrekBBS has never made me laugh more than now.

Can you at least give a reason?

 

[FlyingLemons]

Why is our board being invaded by another one? I feel scared.