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Political systems in Star Trek

Politics don't apply to the Borg, remember what Q said?

Q also said his people don't reproduce. Q says a lot of things.

If the Borg themselves don't have a political system, then I'd say the Borg Queen does, particularly when she talks to our heroes (the one outside her system). She's individualistic and something of a megalomaniac, and she's in control of a devastatingly imperial power (Endgame contradicts First Contact in this sense, in that in the movie she said she didn't control the Borg, but Endgame showed her calling the shots).
 
What political systems do the various civilzations have in the Star trek universe:

The Federation and Bajor are both democracies, with the Federation being a social democracy.

Yep, pretty much.

And for anyone who claims there's no evidence the Federation is a democracy -- Kirk explicitly calls it one in "Errand of Mercy," and the Federation President is explicitly established to be elected in "Paradise Lost."

The Cardassians are a military dictatorship.

Well.... sort-of.

The DS9 episode "Defiant" established that in the Cardassian Union, power was distributed between the Central Command (military), the Obsidian Order (secret police), and the civilian Detapa Council (civilian legislators). However, "Defiant" also established that the Detapa Council was only supposed to have power over the Central Command and Obsidian Order in theory; in reality, it had very little power, and the Central Command and the Order had nearly complete autonomy. The Central Command seems to have controlled foreign policy, and the Obsidian Order seems to have had control of the general populace. There was supposed to be a lot of conflict between the CC and OO, with the CC generally being more powerful.

Then, of course, the Cardassian Union went through four major constitutional changes. First the Obsidian Order was all but obliterated by the Dominion in "The Die is Cast;" then the Central Command was essentially overthrown by the Cardassian dissident movement, which seized control of the Detapa Council, in "The Way of the Warrior." Then the Detapa Council was overthrown and replaced by a Dominion-backed military dictatorship controlled by Gul Dukat, but which eventually relinquished real power to the Dominion by the war's end. And then, of course, that government was overthrown with the withdrawal of the Dominion.

In the novels, the new Cardassian government is a Federation-style democracy, led by a head of government called the Castellan.

The Borg are a warped version of a communist dictatorship.

No. Complete and utter nonsense.

The Borg neither resemble a Soviet-style dictatorship, nor Marx's Communist idea. The Borg Collective, at the end of the day, is nothing more than a mind controlling computer virus gone wild. The Borg do not operate truly collectively, because it does not allow individual drones to have individual, unique thoughts or wills that differ from those of the rest. Rather, every drone seems to be the victim of some form of mind control, and then that mind-controlled "voice" is added to the Collective, which is either embodied or controlled by the Queen.

That does not resemble a Soviet-style dictatorship, in which a single political party controls the apparatus of the state, reserving privileges for itself and repressing political dissent through a secret police force with which the party competes for power and through party affiliates that monitor every other civic organization in society, and with the party itself full of competing factions. Nor does it resemble Marx's ideal, in which the means of production is owned communally and the state has been abolished, and everyone has maximal liberty because there is no economic inequality.

The Dominion is a theocracy and a warped version of Plato's ideal society.

Not a bad comparison. The Dominion is a bit looser than most dictatorships, though -- it's a theocracy insofar as the Vorta and Jem'Hadar are concerned, but it appears that it doesn't directly intervene in the governance of its conquered states in most circumstances, instead demanding tribute and resources but leaving most internal affairs alone -- ruling from orbit, so to speak. And of course, their tactics differed with Cardassia, which was nominally co-equal at first, but which eventually turned into a plain ol' de facto Dominion military dictatorship. So the exact nature of Dominion control seems to differ from world to world.

There are a few that aren't very clear, the Romulans are supposed to be either the Roman Republic or the Roman Empire, but that comparison falls flat because the Romans were not xenophobia and granted citizenship to conquered lands as well as recruiting soldiers from these occupied lands. The Romulans never seem to use soldiers from conquered lands. Plus its not clear who wields the real power, the Senate or the Praetor.

I think the best comparison for the Romulans might be to, say, Elizabethan-era or pre-Interregnum England. There's the Senate, which may or may not be elected. There's the Praetor, who has to be confirmed into his office by the Senate's Continuing Committee, and who is the head of government but whose power is balanced against the Senate. "The Q and the Grey" established the existence of a Romulan Empress, and the novels have run with this, establishing the existence of a Romulan monarchy that is usually a ceremonial figurehead but which sometimes competes with the Praetor and Senate for power, in the same way that the King of England would often compete with Parliament for power. The novels have also established that the Senate is controlled by the Hundred, the 100 most powerful families in the Romulan aristocracy, which get to appoint one of their own as Senator; that a great deal of power lies in the aristocracy. And, of course, the canon established that the Tal Shiar is the Romulan Star Empire's secret police/intelligence force.

The Ferengi political system is also unclear. It doesn't seem like the Negus is elected, but Ferengi Alliance seems like a society that would stress rabid individualism, so it doesn't seem like a dictatorship. If I had to guess, it seems like a chauvinistic, libertarian meritocracy, where for males achieve power and status through their merits, with females being non persons.

Well, remember, that's all changed under Grand Nagi Zek and Rom. They've established the Congress of Economic Advisers, and given women equal rights, as well as the establishment of social programs to protect the environment.

The Ferengi Commerce Authority seems to have maintained its old status as the primary regulatory body of Ferengi industry, and, in true capitalist faction, is actually a highly corrupt body prone to manipulating businesses in order to enrich itself.

The novels have established that the Congress gets to select new Grand Nagi, and that the Grand Nagus presides over its sessions. The Nagus can propose a bill, with the Congress then holding an initial vote. After the first vote, they have a bribery session, where Advisers who feel strongly about a bill can offer to bribe other Advisers to vote a certain way.

It's also amusing to note how many races pay lip service to an "empire" of some kind, and how few true empires there actually are. The Cardassians and Ferengi both referred to their respective empires in their early appearances. The names "Cardassian Union" and "Ferengi Alliance" appeared later.

With the Ferengi Alliance, that seems to have been a straight-out retcon, as the writers changed their concept of the Ferengi from imperialist baddies to capitalist parodies.

With the Cardassians, I would suggest that "Cardassian empire" is an informal term for the Cardassian Union's system of control over its vassal worlds, with the state's real name remaining "Cardassian Union." To make a comparison, the term "British Empire" was never a formal term for the British state. The British state remained the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland -- later, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland -- and its various colonies had differing levels of theoretical sovereignty and self-governance. The Dominion of Canada and Commonwealth of Australia, for instance, were, pre-Statute of Westminster 1931, not nominally sovereign states; India, by control, was nominally a sovereign state even though it was clearly under British control, and issued passports under the name "Indian Empire" (as the sitting British monarch was considered to simultaneously have inherited the title "Emperor/Empress of India" from native monarchs).

Then there's the Klingon Empire, whose emperor is only a figurehead when they bother having one at all, and the Romulan Star Empire, whose emperor has never even been mentioned onscreen.

"The Q and the Grey" established the existence of a Romulan Empress.

Also, having a formal imperial monarch does not make one's state an empire, and lacking one doesn't mean that one's state isn't an empire. Japan has a ceremonial Emperor, but it clearly isn't an empire. The Soviet Union never had a formal monarchy, but it was clearly an empire, given its conquest and control of numerous independent-on-paper-only states in the Warsaw Pact.

There is no such thing as a communist dictatorship. Communism is a society without a state or classes, where the workers own the means of production; the ultimate democracy.

Still sounds like the Borg to me. In the Communist Manifesto Marx argued that the ideal communist system would be run by the dictatorship of the proletariat--ie the workers have all the power,

False. Marx's notion was that the dictatorship of the proletariat would be a transitional phase to true Communism, necessary, he believed, in order to ward off the efforts of the wealthy elite to try to restore their positions of power, dominance, and exploitation over the workers. The various nominally Communist states, such as the Soviet Union, typically claimed that they were still in the transitional "dictatorship of the proletariat" phase, necessarily continuing that phase because of the threat posed by foreign capitalist states.

The problem, of course, was that Marx did not acknowledge that absolute power concentrated into a small number hands, whether those hands be rich capitalists' or poor workers', will necessarily corrupt and be unwilling to relinquish. He presumed, for no particular reason, that workers would be less corruptible, less prone to authoritarianism and repression, than the wealthy.

Either way, the Borg in no way resemble Marxist Communism nor actual nominally Communist states.

But at any rate, the Borg "government" would be exactly like what Marx would want.

No, it wouldn't. The Borg Collective is in no way democratic, and engages in, in essence, mind control. It's a system of absolute control over the individual; Marx's ideal was that there wouldn't even need to be a government, because once economic inequality was eliminated and there was no more class system, everyone would be equal and no one would try to gain power over others or violate one-another's rights.

Marx's greatest sin, in other words, is foolish utopianism, not totalitarianism.

Either way, there simply is no analogue in actual political systems for the Borg Collective. You can use the idea of the Collective to tell stories that function as analogies for issues of how to balance individual rights vs. collective obligations, but the Collective itself really has no equivalent system.

The Ferengi system is definitely not a libertarian one as theorized on the first page. Businesses appear to be heavily regulated in many respects -- the prohibition against doing business with Ferengi females; Liquidator Brunt's harassment of Quark -- and the Nagus appears to essentially have the authority to shut any Ferengi business down if he pleases.

Well, then thing about laissez-faire capitalism is that it's like Marx's ideal of Communism: It can only ever exist on paper, not in reality. Just like any state that attempts to implement true Communism will eventually degenerate into an authoritarian dictatorship, any state that attempts to implement laissez-faire capitalism will eventually degenerate into a system of cronyism, corruption, bribery, extreme economic inequality, high levels of poverty, and domination of the government and economy by the wealthy.

The Ferengi Alliance is not a "true" libertarian capitalist system, but that's true in the same sense that the Soviet Union was not a "true" Communist state. They may fall far short of the ideals, but, frankly, they're what any state that attempts those ideals would actually turn into.

Politics don't apply to the Borg, remember what Q said?

Q also said his people don't reproduce. Q says a lot of things.

If the Borg themselves don't have a political system, then I'd say the Borg Queen does, particularly when she talks to our heroes (the one outside her system). She's individualistic and something of a megalomaniac, and she's in control of a devastatingly imperial power (Endgame contradicts First Contact in this sense, in that in the movie she said she didn't control the Borg, but Endgame showed her calling the shots).

Oh, I dunno. That may not be the best way to interpret her scenes in "Endgame." I mean, I argue with myself and issue commands to myself in my mind all the time. Maybe the Queen contradicting the Collective's voice was just an example of two parts of the Collective's mind arguing with itself, rather than representing an individual controlling the Collective.
 
I think the Federation government has to much power over the people to be called a true democratic power like we saw on TNG where they try to removed the colonists from the planet that was given to Cardassia Union inorder to achieve peace with them.
 
I think the Federation government has to much power over the people to be called a true democratic power like we saw on TNG where they try to removed the colonists from the planet that was given to Cardassia Union inorder to achieve peace with them.

Well, it's unclear under what legal justification the Federation could do that.

For instance, what was the political status of that particular settlement? Was it a Federation Member State, a colony directly administered by the Federation, or a colony of a Federation Member State?

If it was a Member State in its own right, then that suggests that the Federation would have been violating the principle of dual sovereignty that is supposed to govern a federal system. If, on the other hand, it was a colony falling directly under Federation administration but was not a Member State, then the Federation was well within its rights to transfer it to Cardassian jurisdiction. Similarly, if I understand things correctly, the United States has the right to transfer ownership of its non-state territories, but not of its states. The United States could sell Puerto Rico back to the Kingdom of Spain tomorrow if it wanted, but it would not have the authority to give the State of Texas back to the United Mexican States.

The other relevant question there is whether or not such a transfer confers upon the Federation the right to forcibly remove its citizens from settlements that are now under foreign jurisdiction. The impression I got from "Journey's End" is that it does not, and that its initial attempt to force relocation was in fact a violation of Federation law; those Federates may stay or leave, according to such conditions as the foreign power shall dictate, and the Federation may not compel relocation.

I do not think that these issues mark the Federation as being somehow not a true democracy. An imperfect one, perhaps, but not fundamentally illegitimate.
 
You're probably right. It's not a perfect democracy.

However, I think the colony was there first even before the Federation. That's why both sides were unwilling to remove them. It's not like the Cardassians to care bout Non-Cardassians citizens. They tried to make it look like the colonists wree trying to kill them first when in fact it was the opposite.
 
the Federation being a social democracy.
... the Federation is a democracy -- Kirk explicitly calls it one in "Errand of Mercy,"
Kirk did insist to Kor that the federation as a "democratic body," however that doesn't automatically translate to "Social Democracy." We know that the federation existed for over two centuries of future history. As we're currently seeing in southern Europe, social democracies are not very stable.

and the Federation President is explicitly established to be elected in "Paradise Lost."
But elected by whom? The entire adult population the federation? Certainly hundreds of billions of people. Or is the federation president simply selected by members of the largest political faction of the moment, similar to the British Prime Minister, or the US speaker of the House.

Power through cronyism.

:)
 
IIRC, Jaresh-Inyo was pushed into running by allies, he didn't want to. so that rules out a UK style 'party leader becomes President' type situation.

what it doesn't make clear is whether he's been elected by the populace at large or by the Council...

the reent novels assume a direct election by the populace, FWIW.
 
the Federation being a social democracy.
... the Federation is a democracy -- Kirk explicitly calls it one in "Errand of Mercy,"

Kirk did insist to Kor that the federation as a "democratic body," however that doesn't automatically translate to "Social Democracy." We know that the federation existed for over two centuries of future history. As we're currently seeing in southern Europe, social democracies are not very stable.

Uh, no, Europe's problems stem from a lethal combination of abuses in an under-regulated private sector and a refusal to unify the E.U. into a fiscal as well as monetary union. It's not because they're social democracies. And goodness knows that the social democracies of the Scandinavian countries are doing better than damn near everyone.

and the Federation President is explicitly established to be elected in "Paradise Lost."
But elected by whom? The entire adult population the federation? Certainly hundreds of billions of people.
Why not?

Or is the federation president simply selected by members of the largest political faction of the moment, similar to the British Prime Minister, or the US speaker of the House.
Then why wouldn't he be called "Federation Prime Minister?"

Bear in mind, too, that Prime Ministers aren't truly elected in most systems. They're usually appointed by the non-partisan head of state -- a President or the constitutional Monarch.

Presidents are almost never elected by the legislature. (South Africa is a notable exception, but that's because the modern South African Presidency directly evolved from old the South African Prime Ministership.)
 
"The Q and the Grey" established the existence of a Romulan Empress.

Also, having a formal imperial monarch does not make one's state an empire, and lacking one doesn't mean that one's state isn't an empire. Japan has a ceremonial Emperor, but it clearly isn't an empire. The Soviet Union never had a formal monarchy, but it was clearly an empire, given its conquest and control of numerous independent-on-paper-only states in the Warsaw Pact.
The Romulan Empire is probably closer to a Constitutional Monarchy or oligarchy. There is the existence of an Empress/Emperor as established in The Q and the Grey, but there is also the Imperial Senate, which appears to have the power and can be overthrown (ST: Nemesis). There is no mention of whether the Senators are chosen from a ruling class or if its done in a popular election, but even the Constitutional Monarch system in the United Kingdom has an upper and lower house, so it very well could be both.

I was actually disappointed that the TNG films fell apart after Nemesis, because a future of Trek where the Federation is allied with the Romulans would have been very interesting indeed. For much of Trek's history, the Romulans were xenophobes and secretive, so little was ever known about their culture. I would have liked to have seen more of their culture than what we ended up getting.

Much the same way we got to learn more about the Klingons in TNG and DS9, it would have been nice to see the Romulans as well.
 
Then why wouldn't he be called "Federation Prime Minister?"
Not necassarily, ultimately is just a job title, President, General Secretary, Premier, Prime Minister, Chairman.

Jaresh-Inyo's (and others) honorific in the various languages of the federation could be whatever generally translates to leader, probably don't use Führer.

:)
 
I was actually disappointed that the TNG films fell apart after Nemesis, because a future of Trek where the Federation is allied with the Romulans would have been very interesting indeed. For much of Trek's history, the Romulans were xenophobes and secretive, so little was ever known about their culture. I would have liked to have seen more of their culture than what we ended up getting.

You may be interested in reading the novels' take on the post-NEM Romulus. I'd recommend reading Titan: Taking Wing by Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels, Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido, A Singular Destiny by Keith R.A. DeCandido, and Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts of Empire by David R. George III.

And, hell, if you're big into Romulans, you might also enjoy The Lost Era: Serpents Among the Ruins by David R. George III, about the Tomed Incident in 2311, and The Lost Era: The Art of the Impossible by Keith R.A. DeCandido, which covers the 18-year "Betretka Nebula Incident," a cold war between the Klingon Empire and Cardassian Union in which the Romulans played an important part. Both of these books are set in the years between Captain Kirk's apparent death in 2293 and the launch of the Enterprise-D in 2364.

Then why wouldn't he be called "Federation Prime Minister?"
Not necassarily, ultimately is just a job title, President, General Secretary, Premier, Prime Minister, Chairman.

No, it's not. Different titles mean different things. In particular, "President" explicitly means that the holder of the office is a head of state, legally empowered to represent the entire state in dealings with foreign states such as the sending and receiving of ambassadors, and that the office holder is commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

By contrast, a Prime Minister has no such authority; that's why, say, the new U.S. Ambassador to the State of Israel recently presented his credentials to, and was accepted by, the President of the State of Israel, Shimon Peres, rather than to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu.

And then there's the French system -- where the President is normally the leader, but has to appoint a Prime Minister to work for him in order to have his preferred bills passed through Parliament. Normally, that just means he appoints a supporter as Prime Minister and power remains with the President... unless the other party wins a majority of seats in Parliament. Then, suddenly, the President has to appoint the leader of the other party as Prime Minister, and both have to compete-slash-cooperate with each other in order to get anything done, forcing some power-sharing.

And "General Secretary" is a title typically reserved for leaders of political parties or intergovernmental organizations. Thus, the most common title for the reigning dictator of the Soviet Union was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics -- as power in the U.S.S.R. came from the party, not the state, which was, in essence, the party's puppet. (Yet, even then, the General Secretary was not legally head of state, and could not send or receive ambassadors. Typically, they appointed a puppet head of state to perform those duties.)

It is fair to say that there's some flexibility in some terms. "Chairman" and "President" basically mean the same thing, as "President" is just a modern evolution of "one who presides over something" -- which is exactly what "Chairman" also means. Hence the word Zhuxi in Mandarin often being translated for either Chairman or President. And Premier and Prime Minister are literally synonyms.

But in general, no, it's not just a title. These titles mean something. Unless the Federation is a political system in which power does not come through being elected to a democratic office, like the Soviet Union or Gul Dukat's Cardassia (and I cannot imagine why a reasonable person would think that it is), those titles explicitly establish the holder's constitutional status within the political system being discussed.

Jaresh-Inyo's (and others) honorific in the various languages of the federation could be whatever generally translates to leader, probably don't use Führer.
Er, no, not his honorific. His honorific would be whether or not he's entitled to the use of the phrase "His Excellency" before his name in formal introductions and correspondence. What you mean to say is that his office could be "whatever." But even there, no, it would have to be a word that encompasses both his status as head of state and his status as head of government, like Bundespräsident in German, or Presidente in Spanish, or Zhuxi in Mandarin.

Bottom line: It just doesn't make sense to think that the Federation President is determined by the Federation Council. It would be a big anomaly in the evolution of constitutional practices. It's not impossible, but I would argue that it's highly improbable -- especially since the context of the scene in "Paradise Lost" that established the Federation Presidency to be democratically elected was of Sisko objecting to the idea of a small group of people seizing power without a mandate from the general population.
 
Well, there is the President of the EU commission who isn't elected by the populace. If someone is elected indirectly (i.e. by some sort of parliament which has been elected by the people) that doesn't make the office undemocratic. So, it could go either way with the President of the United Federation of Planets which could be an organisation with some resemblance to the EU, just more closely knit together.
Personally, I'm rather unhappy with the way Presidents are elected in my country (by an assembly consisting of all MPs and delegates from all the state parliaments) but I don't think it's undemocratic because people did elect those parliaments. It's just a different approach from the American one. If a small group of people tried to seize power, similar to the attempted military coup in "Paradise Lost", I'd be just as upset as Sisko and I would fight them in some way.
In summary, I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. There is some precedence for different kinds of set-ups.
 
There is no such thing as a communist dictatorship. Communism is a society without a state or classes, where the workers own the means of production; the ultimate democracy.

Still sounds like the Borg to me.

The Borg would probably call their system "democratic," since everyone in the hive mind gets a "vote." It just happens they're incapable of voting differently than everyone else.

How Communism would actually work in the real world is still unproven, since nobody's ever gotten it to work (and barring some immense change in human nature - such as assimilation by the Borg - nobody ever will.)
 
Well, there is the President of the EU commission who isn't elected by the populace.

Yeah, but he's not the president of a state, he's the president of a committee of an intergovernmental organization. It's really not the same thing.

So, it could go either way with the President of the United Federation of Planets which could be an organisation with some resemblance to the EU, just more closely knit together.
The Federation is far more than the E.U. -- which doesn't even have a common foreign or fiscal policy, and may or may not even exist in a couple of years. The Federation is a sovereign state; the European Union is not.

Personally, I'm rather unhappy with the way Presidents are elected in my country (by an assembly consisting of all MPs and delegates from all the state parliaments) but I don't think it's undemocratic because people did elect those parliaments. It's just a different approach from the American one. If a small group of people tried to seize power, similar to the attempted military coup in "Paradise Lost", I'd be just as upset as Sisko and I would fight them in some way.
In summary, I don't think it's as clear cut as you make it out to be. There is some precedence for different kinds of set-ups.
I'm not saying that there's no precedent, but it's still a bit of an anomaly. Most of the democracies in which the president isn't directly elected are ones where the president is only a ceremonial head of state, not also the head of government.

ETA:

There is no such thing as a communist dictatorship. Communism is a society without a state or classes, where the workers own the means of production; the ultimate democracy.

Still sounds like the Borg to me.

The Borg would probably call their system "democratic," since everyone in the hive mind gets a "vote."

No, they'd just say, "Democracy is irrelevant. Your primitive political systems will be discontinued. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
 
Was it ever stated that The Federation is a real state, though? The name alone does suggest that it's more of a federation of sovereign nations. In that regard, I find the comparisons with the EU or what the EU could become apt. But you could also take other supranational organisations. There aren't that many with a more encompassing approach to policy and at least some political authority on earth, though. The United Nations, but that's it, and they have even less authority for direct policy making than the EU.
We know next to nothing about the state of Federation policies, in what areas there are common ones and in which there are not. Unlike the EU, they have a common defense policy but apart from that I'm not sure what was actually stated on screen. Maybe some of the contradictions could be explained away in that way?
 
Was it ever stated that The Federation is a real state, though?

It has all of the traits of a state. It possesses a defined territory; it has a legislature that makes binding laws; it has a President who formulates and implements foreign policy; it wages wars and concludes treaties; it has its own military; it has a Constitution that guarantees certain rights and freedoms to everyone within its borders; it requires its constituent polities to have political systems that are consistent with its constitution; it can declare states of emergency on its territory and put its military forces on every street corner in a state of de facto martial law; it maintains an extensive bureaucracy; it maintains its own internal security forces with powers of arrest; it maintains its own system of grand juries and courts with powers of subpoena and indictment; it has a Supreme Court with the power of judicial review; it exchanges ambassadors with foreign states.

In no meaningful sense of the term does the Federation not meet the definition of a sovereign state.

The name alone does suggest that it's more of a federation of sovereign nations.

Not really. Federations are a well-established form of sovereign state; they just practice federalism rather than being unitary states, that's all.

But you could also take other supranational organisations. There aren't that many with a more encompassing approach to policy and at least some political authority on earth, though. The United Nations, but that's it, and they have even less authority for direct policy making than the EU.

The United Nations is not a state in any sense of the term. They have no territory, they have no armed forces, they can't make binding law. The U.N. in fact explicitly describes itself as not being a state -- it calls itself a "tool" of its Member States.
 
and the Federation President is explicitly established to be elected in "Paradise Lost."
But elected by whom? The entire adult population the federation? Certainly hundreds of billions of people.

With the technology available, that is probably rather easy to do. Even with billions of Federation citizens voting, there is probably an easy way to securely and efficiently count all their individual votes. The computing power in use in Trek's time is absolutely off the scale compared to ours.
 
and the Federation President is explicitly established to be elected in "Paradise Lost."
But elected by whom? The entire adult population the federation? Certainly hundreds of billions of people.

With the technology available, that is probably rather easy to do. Even with billions of Federation citizens voting, there is probably an easy way to securely and efficiently count all their individual votes. The computing power in use in Trek's time is absolutely off the scale compared to ours.

Exactly.

I mean, hell, I'd hope that by the 24th Century, they've figured out how to count.

ETA:

Secure voting is probably fairly easy, too. Have a voiceprint or DNA recognition program that verifies your identity from a voter registration database when you go to vote -- no need to force anyone to buy a photo ID -- and then you probably get a different system in order to vote anonymously. Maybe a special ballot device that normally just likes you punch a hole but yells at you if you leave any dangling chads, just to make sure there's no confusion. :)
 
Communism is a society without a state or classes, where the workers own the means of production; the ultimate democracy.

No, it was Wolverhampton Wanderers, who beat Leicester 3-1. ;)

I think the Federation government has to much power over the people to be called a true democratic power like we saw on TNG where they try to removed the colonists from the planet that was given to Cardassia Union inorder to achieve peace with them.

Well, it's unclear under what legal justification the Federation could do that.

AFAIK, the colony in "Journey's End" was exactly that: a colony. Since the planet Dorvan V would be legally considered Cardassian territory, I believe that after the area was redistributed to Cardassia, Federation citizens would have no right to be there - the Cardassians could demand their removal even if the Federation didn't want to. The colonists were only allowed to stay if they agreed to become Cardassian subjects. Not only did the Federation have the *right* to remove them, it had the legal obligation to do so.

Or are you questioning whether or not the Federation had the right to negotiate the handing over of the colony to Cardassia? That's a bit more murky, I think. But negotiation is a normal part of diplomacy, after all.
 
The United Nations is not a state in any sense of the term. They have no territory, they have no armed forces, they can't make binding law. The U.N. in fact explicitly describes itself as not being a state -- it calls itself a "tool" of its Member States.
I mentioned this in another thread, but the UN not being a global government is mostly a facet of there not currently being a need for a global government. Since we are (for all intents and purposes) alone in the galaxy, a global government has nowhere to represent us. We don't identify ourselves as citizens of Earth, because there is no one to whom we could identify ourselves as such.

If we ever do discover alien life, we would need a unified planetary government to represent our interests. The UN (or something analogous) could very well be that representative body.
 
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