The couple of publicity photos with Shatner and Nimoy taken from above give a good idea of the color. (Beside my avatar anyway) Anyone have them handy?
Why didn't Theiss find a shirt that photographed green, then.
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That would be this one...
By the braid on Kirk's cuff, we can tell this is from the first season.
Looks rather green, doesn't it?
Clearly, something has happened to those velour swatches that Cawley has and is relying on, and that something is, quite simply, AGE, a force no notebook can defend against (question for those with access to these materials: are the pages of this notebook at all yellowed? If so, what's to prevent a color change in the velour?).
By the braid on Kirk's cuff, we can tell this is from the first season.
Looks rather green, doesn't it?
Clearly, something has happened to those velour swatches that Cawley has and is relying on, and that something is, quite simply, AGE, a force no notebook can defend against (question for those with access to these materials: are the pages of this notebook at all yellowed? If so, what's to prevent a color change in the velour?).
Ok, I have a question. If I am calibrating my HD TV set using the TOS-R Bluray disks, should the Season 1 & 2 command uniforms look gold or have a slight green casts. I am assuming all these discussions center around how the color was filmed originally, not the transfer to blu-ray. Am I making any sense?
Look at the above pic. That's the tunic under, more or less, normal lighting.
The problem is that on the set, they didn't exactly use normal lighting. There was a lot of colored lights at play, so you might be better with skin tones. Just remember that Spock is supposed to look jaundiced (I'm still convinced that Nimoy's yellow makeup, and folks down the line trying to "correct" it, is the source of most of the problems with the on screen colors).
The problem is that on the set, they didn't exactly use normal lighting. There was a lot of colored lights at play, so you might be better with skin tones. Just remember that Spock is supposed to look jaundiced (I'm still convinced that Nimoy's yellow makeup, and folks down the line trying to "correct" it, is the source of most of the problems with the on screen colors).
Yes, you are making sense-the problem with the color appearing incorrectly as gold/yellow is the fault of how it was originally photographed.
That from-above was the pic I was thinking of. TV Guide? It's one of the photos (as opposed to motion picture film and studio lighting) that convinced me some time ago the shirts were greenish. Plus all the circumstantials (other green unis in first season, especially).
1. To me they just look velour, but you mention the braid. What about it says S1/2 to you?
2. The background of this photo is quite blue. Just as S1 lighting on the bridge was quite red and affected how things looked, the blue ambient light here could react with a yellow shirt to end up greenish. Yellow and blue make green, right? I want to believe ya, but I'm just sayin'.
1. To me they just look velour, but you mention the braid. What about it says S1/2 to you?
2. The background of this photo is quite blue. Just as S1 lighting on the bridge was quite red and affected how things looked, the blue ambient light here could react with a yellow shirt to end up greenish. Yellow and blue make green, right? I want to believe ya, but I'm just sayin'.
In a subtractive-color system. Lighting is additive-color. Green + Red = Yellow.
Cool. More evidence for green fabric? as the bridge lighting was certainly reddish, especially early on.
Kirk's braid was spaced very close together early in the first season, not to mention his short haircut.
I've also read the little braid pieces sloped differently on different arms early on, but I do not know the specifics.
This is fun.
Any fabric experts wanna weigh in on velour from the '60s fading to a dif. hue, even if not in the light for 50 years? (Yikes!! 50 years!! This show used to be just a few years old. How did that happen?)
This is fun.
Any fabric experts wanna weigh in on velour from the '60s fading to a dif. hue, even if not in the light for 50 years? (Yikes!! 50 years!! This show used to be just a few years old. How did that happen?)
Here is a picture from Trekcore, "Shore Leave" of the command uniform in outdoor light. Looks greenish to my eyes...
"Velour" is a weave rather than a material - it can be made from cotton, nylon, polyester etc. The original velour used on TOS was supposedly cotton.
Check out the front of Shatner's toupee on this one:
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x18hd/arenahd032.jpg
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x18hd/arenahd032.jpg
Well, I do have a View-Master 2D projector and a copy of the "Omega Glory" discs, but there are so many variables: quality of the reel image filmstock, settings on the digital camera, enhancements in the photo program, and individuals' monitor screen settings. No one is going to agree that we are seeing the "true" colours.
Try cutting and pasting the URLI don't have "permission" to see it.
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x18hd/arenahd032.jpg
I've used a large format film scanner with good results.
Here is a picture from Trekcore, "Shore Leave" of the command uniform in outdoor light. Looks greenish to my eyes...
shore does
Well, to further complicate matters, I got a response back from Bjo, and she remembers the shirts being golden yellow, not green, so now I'm not sure what the hell is going on.
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