Anne Rice Trolls Twilight

[Distorted Humor]

Well Vulgar, the article you quote specifically states that pedophilia is attraction to children who have not hit puberty.

Which means you did not read the part I bolded about how it's used normally, not medically.

Stop derailing the thread and being so hostile.

umm, Vulgar, when have I been hostile? You are the one cussing at people, and I am just pointing out that there is medical terms for attraction to minors who are pubescent.

Your quote in two three places specifically states that you should not use the term for teens sexual activity with adults as pedophilia.

Will say this about twilight, it made attempting to be chaste cool again....

 

[Vulagr]

It did not disprove my point of view and I did not make a mistake. I am using it in its proper social context. And in it's proper social context it is a legally adult man who is interested in having sex with an underage girl, and it doesn't matter how far apart in age they are, not just prepubescent ones. I'm sure you're all having a good time with this. It is you people who are making the mistake. It is you who are trolling and being incredibly rude to me.

 

[Distorted Humor]

pedophilia /pe·do·phil·ia/ (-fil´e-ah) a paraphilia in which an adult has recurrent, intense sexual urges or sexually arousing fantasies of engaging or repeatedly engages in sexual activity with a prepubertal child

Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

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PedophiliaSex or sexual activity with children who have not reached puberty.

Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

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pedophilia [ped′əfil′ē·ə] Etymology: Gk, pais, child, philein, to love

1 an abnormal interest in children.
2 (in psychiatry) a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be heterosexual or homosexual. Also spelled paedophilia. Also called pederosis. See also paraphilia. pedophilic, adj.

Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.


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Paedophilia
A paraphilia involving hetero- or homosexuoerotic fantasy, activity or intercourse initiated by a postpubertal adolescent or adult male or female with prepubescent children
Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

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Attraction to minors who are pubesent is called Ephebophilia

 

[Vulagr]

umm, Vulgar, when have I been hostile? You are the one cussing at people, and I am just pointing out that there is medical terms for attraction to minors who are pubescent.

Correcting people and telling them to go read a book and learn something is a rude and hostile act.

Your quote in two three places specifically states that you should not use the term for teens sexual activity with adults as pedophilia.

And I've been pointing out to you that it is not how society uses the term, and that's how I use the term, not the medical definition.

Pedophilia, according to society, is any legally adult male having sex with any under the age of consent female, regardless of how far apart in age they are.

 

[Distorted Humor]

So if society calls a cold "The flu" and you get upset if someone points out that you stating a flu shot will stop the common cold is not exactly correct, you would get upset?

 

[SeerSGB]

@Vulgar - Actually the "social" meaning is wrong. And the article you've quoted points that out. Just cause it's the "common" or "social" usage does not make it the right usage.

Anyway back to Anne Rice: I love her earlier books, but let's face it she was selling undead sex appeal too. They're really two sides of the same coin, Meyer and Rice. Rice took Vampires and painted them into a pretty generic romance novel template, she just wrote it towards a adult audience. Meyer, I've not been able to get more than a few pages at a time into her books, but from a technically stand point they're a slog to read; filled with padding and over long passages of nothing, and characters that felt like blatant Mary Sues.

 

[Vulagr]

So if society calls a cold "The flu" and you get upset if someone points out that you stating a flu shot will stop the common cold is not exactly correct, you would get upset?

It all depends on how they approached me. If they treated me with respect, I would not, if they just corrected me in a rude and insulting manner, then yes I would.

And actually that's not the same thing as being corrected over a dictionary meaning of a word. And in fact would be a semantics argument and I hate semantic arguments to no end.

Anyway back to Anne Rice: I love her earlier books, but let's face it she was selling undead sex appeal too

Except it's all ho yay. To my knowledge there was no man/woman romantic relationship.

Actually, I take that back, there was the one researcher woman in the Queen Of The Damned movie who sought Lestat out and let him bring her over, but i'm not sure if that's really romance.

 

[Forbin]

[McCoy] This is fun. [/McCoy]

 

[Distorted Humor]

It all depends on how they approached me. If they treated me with respect, I would not, if they just corrected me in a rude and insulting manner, then yes I would.

And actually that's not the same thing as being corrected over a dictionary meaning of a word. And in fact would be a semantics argument and I hate semantic arguments to no end.

Yet someone pointed out politely that you use the term wrong, and you where the first to go to a reference book?



anyways, A spade is a spade. This is actually funny, thanks for the entertainment.

 

[SeerSGB]

Anyway back to Anne Rice: I love her earlier books, but let's face it she was selling undead sex appeal too

Except it's all ho yay. To my knowledge there was no man/woman romantic relationship.

Actually, I take that back, there was the one researcher woman in the Queen Of The Damned movie who sought Lestat out and let him bring her over, but i'm not sure if that's really romance.

She still sold sexy vampires. Whether guy on guy or guy or girl, it was a romantic story within the world she established. And bringing someone across is played as a supremely intimate and intense (orgasmic?) act for the two parties involved.

Where Meyers fails with the formula is watering it down and bland characters. I did not care about Meyer's characters (what I read of them). Her style led me to actively dislike the characters and make me put the book down and only skim it after that. There's no "meat" (no pun) to the characters or story and it reads in places like a teenagers Anne Rice fanfic with the serial numbers filed off.

 

[Vulagr]

Look, I'm sorry everyone. I've been having bouts with insomnia. i'm existing on four hours of sleep in two days.

 

[DigificWriter]

This idea that Edward and Bella's relationship somehow makes Edward a pedophile is riduculous, because not only doesn't it apply according to the definitions given above, it doesn't apply because of the specific details of the text of the novels themselves.

At the beginning of their relationship, neither Bella nor Edward is of legal adult age; Bella is 17 and Edward, as per his own words in both the text of Twilight and its filmic adaptation, is also 17; this is true regardless of when he died and was changed due to the fact that Meyer's vampires do not physically age.

If there were anything pedophillic about Bella and Edward's relationship (which, as noted, there isn't), she is actually the one who would be guilty of being a pedophile because, by the time they consummate their marriage and relationship in Breaking Dawn, she is of legal adult age (18), whereas he - for the reasons stated above - technically is not.

 

[The Dominion]

Look, I'm sorry everyone. I've been having bouts with insomnia. i'm existing on four hours of sleep in two days.

Damage control.

 

[The Dominion]

This idea that Edward and Bella's relationship somehow makes Edward a pedophile is riduculous, because not only doesn't it apply according to the definitions given above, it doesn't apply because of the specific details of the text of the novels themselves.

At the beginning of their relationship, neither Bella nor Edward is of legal adult age; Bella is 17 and Edward, as per his own words in both the text of Twilight and its filmic adaptation, is also 17; this is true regardless of when he died and was changed due to the fact that Meyer's vampires do not physically age.

If there were anything pedophillic about Bella and Edward's relationship (which, as noted, there isn't), she is actually the one who would be guilty of being a pedophile because, by the time they consummate their marriage and relationship in Breaking Dawn, she is of legal adult age (18), whereas he - for the reasons stated above - technically is not.

His body might not age, but he sure remembers being around for more than 17 years.

 

[Vulagr]

Must be team Meyers.

 

[Mike Farley]

Whether or not your body physically changes, when a year passes you are one year older.

 

[hyzmarca]

It did not disprove my point of view and I did not make a mistake. I am using it in its proper social context. And in it's proper social context it is a legally adult man who is interested in having sex with an underage girl, and it doesn't matter how far apart in age they are, not just prepubescent ones. I'm sure you're all having a good time with this. It is you people who are making the mistake. It is you who are trolling and being incredibly rude to me.

Bella wasn't underaged at any point during the series. And even if she was there was no pelvic relations until they were married, because Edward is an incredible prude.

 

[spooky spice]

I like the meme doing the rounds where Trekkies are thanking Twilight fans for making us look normal

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I find your attitude and turn of phrase to be somewhat familiar. Have we met?

No. Look dude. You were pretty rude to me, and I didn't appreciate it. If you would've asked instead of being rude to me, I would've revised my statement. Being corrected, especially in such a disrespectful manner, is considered very rude in my neck of the woods. Around here we believe in common courtesy and I would've not corrected you. So I would appreciate it if you please would not correct me in the future in such a manner.

Wait, so you know you were wrong, but you just wouldn't admit it because you were feeling emotionally aggressive? And you call someone else a troll?

Look, I'm sorry everyone. I've been having bouts with insomnia. i'm existing on four hours of sleep in two days.

I mean this in a friendly way, when I'm feeling like that I know it's a good time to stay away from the internet.

 

[Vulagr]

Bella wasn't underaged at any point during the series. And even if she was there was no pelvic relations until they were married, because Edward is an incredible prude.

She's seventeen years old.

Hmmm... according to the age of consent laws the age of consent is Sixteen in Washington, not 18 so.

So yes, it's not pedophilia.

But it is still icky.

BUT the Catch 22 is this: one has to be careful for Washington has a "Communicating with a minor for immoral purposes legislation" which has been used to selectively prosecute individuals who communicate with persons under 18 for purposes deemed "immoral." The penalty for a 1st offense is up to a year in jail, and for a 2nd or subsequent offense (or for any person who has previously been convicted of any sex offense in the United States) the penalty is up to 5 years in prison. Just asking can, under certain circumstances, land the offender in jail or prison. As the purposes of all "Age of Consent" laws are not to "protect" children, but, rather, to protect the family, it is not at all surprising that many states that have ages of consent that set the ages below 18 have hidden within their codes other laws that can be used to set a defacto Age of Consent of 18.

EDIT:

And the law states the person must not be more than 60 months older or it IS molestation.