So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame?
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Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
For the same reason they let Chakotay and Harry rewrite history in "Timeless"
Dur.
For the same reason they let Chakotay and Harry rewrite history in "Timeless"
Dur.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Because the staff were worse writers than an average third grade class.
Because the staff were worse writers than an average third grade class.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Because the staff was so incredibly talented that they were able to conceive of realities beyond purely linear space-time.
Because the staff was so incredibly talented that they were able to conceive of realities beyond purely linear space-time.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Um, I think the opposite question is more relevant. Why did they interfere by telling her to avoid time travel? By their time the things that Janeway had done were already established. Unless a version of them came from a non-existent timeline that Janeway destroyed, they shouldn't give a damn what Janeway does, unless it was affected by what they did. So, unless she travelled to their time, or someone from their time travelled to her time, they shouldn't care at all.
So, if you need an explanation, I'll go with: By the time Relativity was created, Janeway's history rewriting was already in their history books, going back in time to change it would be a timeline violation.
Um, I think the opposite question is more relevant. Why did they interfere by telling her to avoid time travel? By their time the things that Janeway had done were already established. Unless a version of them came from a non-existent timeline that Janeway destroyed, they shouldn't give a damn what Janeway does, unless it was affected by what they did. So, unless she travelled to their time, or someone from their time travelled to her time, they shouldn't care at all.
So, if you need an explanation, I'll go with: By the time Relativity was created, Janeway's history rewriting was already in their history books, going back in time to change it would be a timeline violation.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Well, technically most major history rewriting would end up in the history books...
Well, technically most major history rewriting would end up in the history books...
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
@YellowSubmarine - IIRC, Relativity travels outside the space-time continuum, and is therefore imune to the effects of timeline tampering. The timeline they originate from (the one Temporal Investigations division was established in) is probably... No, certainly the one they consider the "right" one.
However, quantum theories supposedly teach us that we exist in a multiverse and that there's no such thing as a "right" timeline. It's just seems that no one ever bothered to tell Braga...
@YellowSubmarine - IIRC, Relativity travels outside the space-time continuum, and is therefore imune to the effects of timeline tampering. The timeline they originate from (the one Temporal Investigations division was established in) is probably... No, certainly the one they consider the "right" one.
However, quantum theories supposedly teach us that we exist in a multiverse and that there's no such thing as a "right" timeline. It's just seems that no one ever bothered to tell Braga...
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Time its so linear. The Janeway...she's intrusive...stubborn
Time its so linear. The Janeway...she's intrusive...stubborn
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Time Travel stories that don't return to the status quo at their completion are the weakest of plots.
First Contact is good, because they return to status quo.
Voyage Home is good, because they return to the status quo.
Year of Hell is good, because they return to the status quo.
Future's End is good, because they return to the status quo (except for the mobile emitter, I guess.)
Endgame is BAD, because future Janeway mucks it all up just so the series ends well. Especially disconcerting is the fact that we learn that Voyager does indeed make it home 17 years later, but that timeline is wiped out in the interests of ending the show after 7 seasons. I would have liked to have watched THAT Voyager series, not the one we ended up with. Think of all the races, exploring, adventures that the Voyager crew misses out on just so they can get home? I thought they were explorers!
Time Travel stories that don't return to the status quo at their completion are the weakest of plots.
First Contact is good, because they return to status quo.
Voyage Home is good, because they return to the status quo.
Year of Hell is good, because they return to the status quo.
Future's End is good, because they return to the status quo (except for the mobile emitter, I guess.)
Endgame is BAD, because future Janeway mucks it all up just so the series ends well. Especially disconcerting is the fact that we learn that Voyager does indeed make it home 17 years later, but that timeline is wiped out in the interests of ending the show after 7 seasons. I would have liked to have watched THAT Voyager series, not the one we ended up with. Think of all the races, exploring, adventures that the Voyager crew misses out on just so they can get home? I thought they were explorers!
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Javelin.
Shot put.
Javelin.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
And Vulcan. And half Klingon, and... Borg...
Yeah, but they were also Human.
And Vulcan. And half Klingon, and... Borg...
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Did they?
Did they really?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Takara_sector
Whatever Harry thought he was getting away with, he didn't.
They bottled him off camera.
For the same reason they let Chakotay and Harry rewrite history in "Timeless"
Dur.
Did they?
Did they really?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Takara_sector
Whatever Harry thought he was getting away with, he didn't.
They bottled him off camera.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Because her alterations were in fact, how they record it all went down in the own history? It was an accepted change that benefited everyone worthy of their consideration?
They never bothered to correct Tasha Yar of another timeline going back in time to have a hybrid Romulan kid either.
Some alterations they just leave alone.
Because her alterations were in fact, how they record it all went down in the own history? It was an accepted change that benefited everyone worthy of their consideration?
They never bothered to correct Tasha Yar of another timeline going back in time to have a hybrid Romulan kid either.
Some alterations they just leave alone.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
They should have gone hardcore on his ass and shipped him off to their equivalent of Guantanamo Bay, then erased everyone's memories of him being on board.
They should have gone hardcore on his ass and shipped him off to their equivalent of Guantanamo Bay, then erased everyone's memories of him being on board.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
How do we know the Relativity crew DIDN'T do anything?
I mean, we know they had to come clean up the mess left behind by Harry's actions at the end of "Timeless" (they called it the 'Temporal inversion in the Takara sector) so perhaps they did the same thing here too. Just because we didn't see it in the episode doesn't mean they didn't do anything.
For all we know, ten minutes after the end of the episode (onscreen), the Relativity cleaned out every last bit of extra tech and left the Voyager crew wondering where it went. In fact they probably DID do exactly that.
How do we know the Relativity crew DIDN'T do anything?
I mean, we know they had to come clean up the mess left behind by Harry's actions at the end of "Timeless" (they called it the 'Temporal inversion in the Takara sector) so perhaps they did the same thing here too. Just because we didn't see it in the episode doesn't mean they didn't do anything.
For all we know, ten minutes after the end of the episode (onscreen), the Relativity cleaned out every last bit of extra tech and left the Voyager crew wondering where it went. In fact they probably DID do exactly that.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
Easy.
For the same reasons they allowed Henry Starling to advance technology in the 21st. century by bastardizing technology from the 29th, because it served a greater good.
The info Voyager brings home PLUS the advanced tech. that Adm. Janeway gives Voyager from the future will cause the next technological boom.
Easy.
For the same reasons they allowed Henry Starling to advance technology in the 21st. century by bastardizing technology from the 29th, because it served a greater good.
The info Voyager brings home PLUS the advanced tech. that Adm. Janeway gives Voyager from the future will cause the next technological boom.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
What else does the episode Relativity prove but that if they don't like how things turn out, they go back to a saved point and do-over their mission until they save the day.
Exodus, every timeline, whether it be the Federation or not, has some species/race/alliance which masters timetravel first and leaves the universe to patrol outside time and regulate the progression of continuity... Trouble is, that I'm assuming that there is only "one" the same outside of time that every temporal power tries to dominate. that even divergent Earth histories are not going to recognize the totally alien authority of their almost selves that the shit is really going to hit the fan if the Tholians of the Klingons gain the high ground.
So even if the timecops from Captain Janeways Timeline were superhappy about Endgame, the Time cops from Admiral Janeways Timeline would have been shitting their biscuits, and those timecops would have had to have had a smack down to see whose universe had a greater right to exist.
Unless 29th century Earth is temporally shielded and it cannot be altered by schisms and paradoxes within the timeline, which they would be fools not to.
What else does the episode Relativity prove but that if they don't like how things turn out, they go back to a saved point and do-over their mission until they save the day.
Exodus, every timeline, whether it be the Federation or not, has some species/race/alliance which masters timetravel first and leaves the universe to patrol outside time and regulate the progression of continuity... Trouble is, that I'm assuming that there is only "one" the same outside of time that every temporal power tries to dominate. that even divergent Earth histories are not going to recognize the totally alien authority of their almost selves that the shit is really going to hit the fan if the Tholians of the Klingons gain the high ground.
So even if the timecops from Captain Janeways Timeline were superhappy about Endgame, the Time cops from Admiral Janeways Timeline would have been shitting their biscuits, and those timecops would have had to have had a smack down to see whose universe had a greater right to exist.
Unless 29th century Earth is temporally shielded and it cannot be altered by schisms and paradoxes within the timeline, which they would be fools not to.
Re: So why did 'USS Relativity' let Janeway rewrite history in Endgame
First off she doesn't need a personality.
Ihat thing making her lips move from her brain isn't Anika.
The copied her personality upon assimilation, and comaed the body turning it into a drone, while the digital copy of 8 year old Anika grew up in the collective seeing through the eyes and hearing through the ears of the trillions of drones while she linked with all those personalities via radiotelepathy...
rather than letting the 8 year old wake from her coma, they stuck the most updated rendition of her personality back into the body it hadn't really been using for a home for the last 20 years.
Seven can cut and paste, or copy and paster her personality onto an suitable hard drive,
There's also a back up of her personality less her experiences on Voyager (after Dark Frontier, no that the borg might keep many Anika hansen in stock at different points in her development for comparison.) and lets not forget the imprint of the 8 year old Anika that's stored on the Drone which assimilated her.
Seven's can be maintained by any Borg Drone, and anyone who has just be turned into a drone by seven, as well as a good old fashioned holodeck.
I'm just curious how much she fractioned her life expectancy by re-obtaining such a humanesque physiology?
Hell, she can even assimilate a clone of herself.
We've seen it done.
That much be the Borg plan for when they finally accept that there are no species left that can enhance their quality of life..
You know like when it's last call at a bar, and you're not willing to lower your standards because you don't fear going home alone.
They loved Seven so much they wanted to make sure she survives to see the 29th Century. Those nanoprobes would keep her alive and perky until then.
First off she doesn't need a personality.
Ihat thing making her lips move from her brain isn't Anika.
The copied her personality upon assimilation, and comaed the body turning it into a drone, while the digital copy of 8 year old Anika grew up in the collective seeing through the eyes and hearing through the ears of the trillions of drones while she linked with all those personalities via radiotelepathy...
rather than letting the 8 year old wake from her coma, they stuck the most updated rendition of her personality back into the body it hadn't really been using for a home for the last 20 years.
Seven can cut and paste, or copy and paster her personality onto an suitable hard drive,
There's also a back up of her personality less her experiences on Voyager (after Dark Frontier, no that the borg might keep many Anika hansen in stock at different points in her development for comparison.) and lets not forget the imprint of the 8 year old Anika that's stored on the Drone which assimilated her.
Seven's can be maintained by any Borg Drone, and anyone who has just be turned into a drone by seven, as well as a good old fashioned holodeck.
I'm just curious how much she fractioned her life expectancy by re-obtaining such a humanesque physiology?
Hell, she can even assimilate a clone of herself.
We've seen it done.
That much be the Borg plan for when they finally accept that there are no species left that can enhance their quality of life..
You know like when it's last call at a bar, and you're not willing to lower your standards because you don't fear going home alone.
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