KG on Pond's departure

[captcalhoun]

there's a small piece in the Mirror today, saying Karen Gillan's asking for Amy to be killed off for good when she leaves. She says she doesn't want to come back and ruin the emotion of her departure. she also apparently hinted (whereever this interview originated) that she's leaving after the next season.

she also amusingly says that she always thought if she had kids she'd be a cool mum, but playing Amy as a mother has made her realise how strict and overprotective she'd be...

 

[David cgc]

It'd be nice if she were able to trust the discretion of the writers. I think the end of "End of Time" with Rose would've been a lot more affecting if we hadn't seen her in season 4.

 

[OmahaStar]

It'd be nice if she were able to trust the discretion of the writers. I think the end of "End of Time" with Rose would've been a lot more affecting if we hadn't seen her in season 4.

True. But for whatever reason, RTD was seemingly obsessed with that teenage girl. Which is creepy, and weird since he doesn't even swing that way. I never did understand his fascination with her.

 

[Sci]

It'd be nice if she were able to trust the discretion of the writers. I think the end of "End of Time" with Rose would've been a lot more affecting if we hadn't seen her in season 4.

True. But for whatever reason, RTD was seemingly obsessed with that teenage girl. Which is creepy, and weird since he doesn't even swing that way. I never did understand his fascination with her.

Oh for goodness's sake.

You're seriously going to try to say there's something creepy about using a character you created because that character happens to have been a young adult (19) in her first appearance? You're going to disregard any other possible motivation, up to and including simply wanting to bring more closure to the character's arc? Including the simple fact that Rose was a very popular character with the audience?

And bear in mind that Rose would have been about 20 in Series Two, and would likely have been somewhere in her mid-to-late 20s in Series Four because time moves faster in Pete's World. And do remember that Amy is actually Rose's Series One age in "The Eleventh Hour" and is only a year older than Rose's Series One age in the rest of Series Five. If RTD is creepy for using Rose a lot, so must be Moffat for using Amy. (And unlike Moffat, RTD didn't have Rose running around in fetish outfits.)

 

[OmahaStar]

Nope. I'm saying she was annoying and obnoxious, and never did get any better. The only sort of character development or growth she got was to be even MORE whiney and self-obsessed than she was when she started. And each time she went away, never to be seen again, she came back even worse than the last time.

I could understand it if the writer is some creepy middle-aged man trying to sleep with the actress. It happens all the time. But that's kind of unlikely for RTD. So the question is, why did he keep bringing her back? What motivated him to do that, instead of using other characters?

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ As Sci says, the fact that Russell, and many viewers, liked the character?

 

[Sci]

^ As Sci says, the fact that Russell, and many viewers, liked the character?

Exactly.

If you didn't like Rose, that's fine. But it's mean-spirited to accuse RTD of being "creepy" just because he liked a character you didn't.

 

[Skellington]

Tyler was Davies' POV character, so it's no wonder that he wanted to revisit her. It's also no wonder that she's the first we see kind of settling down with the Doctor, either.

 

[David cgc]

If you didn't like Rose, that's fine. But it's mean-spirited to accuse RTD of being "creepy" just because he liked a character you didn't.

Yeah!

If you want to do that, you should go all Freudian and talk about the overbearing mother/family pushing the Companion towards the Doctor as a surrogate.

Anyway, to help get the thread back on-topic, does anyone think this is actually going to happen? Moffat's been fairly restrained about reviving characters (though the only one he'd have an opportunity to and a reason not to is Madame du Pompadore), and Amy and Rory keep drawing happy endings, especially compared to the earlier modern companions, so it doesn't seem like his style.

It seems especially cruel for the Doctor, who's already made her go home specifically so she'll be safe. Whatever happens to bring her back on the show, it seems strange the Doctor would completely forget his earlier reasoning like that and let her into a fatal situation. That kind of feckless lack of concern for his friends is Tenth Doctor shit; Eleven has seemed much more self-aware about the dangers of being too full of himself and shouldn't need to re-learn that he can be a terrible influence on others so quickly.

 

[Starkers]

Rose's cameo in The End of Time was really sweet, I loved it. Rose in Series 4 was pointless (and it didn't even seem like her)

As for creepy, that would obviously RTD bringing midshipman Frame back again

 

[OmahaStar]

As for creepy, that would obviously RTD bringing midshipman Frame back again

No, that was perfectly fine.

 

[Cutter John]

Thats tended to be an ongoing problem with all of the new series. Producers just can't seem to let go of the bloody Companions. Just say farewell, move on, and bring on a new character. Enough with the 'guest appearances'!


And for the record, I'm about as sick of Amy as I am Rose.

 

[Sci]

Thats tended to be an ongoing problem with all of the new series. Producers just can't seem to let go of the bloody Companions.

Because audiences and writers care about these characters more than they did during the days of DW TOS.

 

[Skellington]

Personally, I could do without the new-companion-needs-everything-explained thing for a while. Amy is kind of refreshing in that she's been a fan since she was seven and so she and Rory are well-versed in the mythology, not to mention that they're now steeped in it in a way that no companion has been before. This is the Smith-Gillen-Darvill era and they have awesome chemistry.

 

[DWF]

Thats tended to be an ongoing problem with all of the new series. Producers just can't seem to let go of the bloody Companions.

Because audiences and writers care about these characters more than they did during the days of DW TOS.

That's not true we had longer running compations on the old series and Sarah Jane Smith really never went away. We also had actually deaths among the companions.

 

[Skellington]

Death-wise, I think only Katarina and Adric count, and the latter was the Jason Todd of Doctor Who. There was also Sara Kingdom, but she only appeared in one story.

Jo, Sarah-Jane and Tegan were probably the longest-running companions prior to NuWho, with about three years each. I think Sarah-Jane has the edge, even without the reappearances. However, the norm for a companion was really about two years or less.

 

[Sci]

Thats tended to be an ongoing problem with all of the new series. Producers just can't seem to let go of the bloody Companions.

Because audiences and writers care about these characters more than they did during the days of DW TOS.

That's not true we had longer running compations on the old series and Sarah Jane Smith really never went away.

And yet the characters on DW TOS are much more two-dimensional, and were most often never spoken of or mentioned again upon leaving the show.

Let's face it: DW TOS was made in an era when characterization was much shallower, and where characters were much less valued, than today.

 

[DWF]

Because audiences and writers care about these characters more than they did during the days of DW TOS.

That's not true we had longer running compations on the old series and Sarah Jane Smith really never went away.

And yet the characters on DW TOS are much more two-dimensional, and were most often never spoken of or mentioned again upon leaving the show.

Let's face it: DW TOS was made in an era when characterization was much shallower, and where characters were much less valued, than today.

In your opinion not everybody shares that opinion as people quickly became tired of Rose.

 

[Sci]

That's not true we had longer running compations on the old series and Sarah Jane Smith really never went away.

And yet the characters on DW TOS are much more two-dimensional, and were most often never spoken of or mentioned again upon leaving the show.

Let's face it: DW TOS was made in an era when characterization was much shallower, and where characters were much less valued, than today.

In your opinion not everybody shares that opinion as people quickly became tired of Rose.

Disliking one particular character is not the same thing as that character being less fleshed-out than earlier characters or the same thing as characters in general being less valued by most audience members.

 

[DWF]

And yet the characters on DW TOS are much more two-dimensional, and were most often never spoken of or mentioned again upon leaving the show.

Let's face it: DW TOS was made in an era when characterization was much shallower, and where characters were much less valued, than today.

In your opinion not everybody shares that opinion as people quickly became tired of Rose.

Disliking one particular character is not the same thing as that character being less fleshed-out than earlier characters or the same thing as characters in general being less valued by most audience members.

If the character is so valued by the audience why dislike said character at all? In any event it's time to move from Amy and Rory, Truthfully without a sense of wonder from a companion there's little for the audence to identify with which is the function of the companaion, at act as the audience.