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Should women be eligible for the "the draft"?

We haven't had the draft or any form of conscription in Australia since the Vietnam War ended. I think an volunteer army is a much better army than a conscripted army.

Plans to remove the barriers that stop women from taking part in battle have recently been announced. As long as women are physically capable they will be able to be combat soldiers. I am not sure exactly what the physical requirements will be but I have no doubt that at least some of the women in the armed forces will be able to meet them.

I, and I think the majorrity of Australians, approve of these barriers being removed.
 
The Draft? You mean like the NFL Draft? I've been hoping for a pair of tits on the Pats for years!
 
Should women be eligible for the "the draft"?

No, because there shouldn't be a draft. A society so lacking that it's own citizens won't voluntarily defend it doesn't deserve to survive.
You're just avoiding the question.

Not really. If someone asks: should mentally handicapped criminals also be sentenced to death, and you reply: I'm against death penalty, you're not avoiding the question. It's a loaded question, that's the issue with it. ;)
 
Britain ended conscription in the 1950s...

bearing that in mind, I think as long as a woman is physically capable of passing basic training, she should be entitled to join the military in any capacity what so ever.

i think it's frigging ridiculous that there's this stupid 'non-frontline combat posts' bullshit for women in the military. women can fly fighter jets (which are a fucking frontline asset), yet can't serve in the infantry or drive tanks. it's bullshit. if they can pass basic and then pass the training and selection to be a paratrooper, or to drive a Challenger 2 tank or to fly an Apache or a Typhoon or to be in the SAS, let them.

(and point of fact, there are female Apache pilots and women have flown with the Red Arrows as well as in combat fast jets like the Tornado and Typhoon. a female Apache pilot flew in Afghanistan and was involved in providing close-air support in one operation and became the first female pilot (and one of the few over all) to wind up returning to base with ALL their ammo expended - gun, rockets, anti-tank missiles all)
 
I just read an extract from Charlotte Madison's book. Lots of complaining about killing (armed) people (who were shooting at her). Could that be what AH-64s were built to do?

Apparently it's unsettling, and I could see that, but it's weird. I read an interview with Paul Tibbets and that guy killed 80,000 civilians with one stroke and he was reportedly fine with it. Maybe it's because Madison could just about see their faces, so there's less opportunity for moral disengagement.
 
Women should be allowed to do everything men are allowed to do, expected to do everything men are expected to do and required to do everything men are required to do; anything less than that and women are still second-class citizens.

What's Selective Service? Is this something all men in America have to sign up for now?

You have to register for it when you turn 18, yes. It's been that way for a while.
A very long while. I had to do it.
 
And vice versa - men shoild be required, alowed and expected to do whatever women are required, allowed and expected to do.
 
Women should be allowed to do everything men are allowed to do, expected to do everything men are expected to do and required to do everything men are required to do; anything less than that and women are still second-class citizens.

What's Selective Service? Is this something all men in America have to sign up for now?

You have to register for it when you turn 18, yes. It's been that way for a while.
A very long while. I had to do it.


Me too.
 
Women should be allowed to do everything men are allowed to do, expected to do everything men are expected to do and required to do everything men are required to do; anything less than that and women are still second-class citizens.
Very, very, very well put.
You have to register for it when you turn 18, yes. It's been that way for a while.
A very long while. I had to do it.

If I recall my history correctly, Selective Service began in 1940.

And vice versa - men shoild be required, alowed and expected to do whatever women are required, allowed and expected to do.

Very true. Responsibilities should be divided based upon who has more aptitude for the particular chore or whether or not one finds that they have an interest in it, regardless of what sex they are.

I think the only place where gender roles should apply is in reproduction, and this is only because there currently is not any way to change this.
 
For those unfamiliar with the US selective service system: Wiki

Under current law, all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. In addition, foreign males between the ages of 18 and 25 living in the United States must register. This includes permanent residents (holders of Green Cards), refugees, asylees, dual citizens, and illegal immigrants.[2] Foreign males in the United States as lawful non-immigrants (international students, visitors, diplomats, etc.) are not required to register.[2] Failure to register as required is grounds for denying a petition for US citizenship. Currently, citizens who are 17 and 3 months old can pre-register so when they turn 18 their information will automatically be added into the system.
In the current registration system a man cannot indicate that he is a conscientious objector (CO) to war when registering, but he can make such a claim when being drafted. Some men choose to write on the registration card "I am a conscientious objector to war" to document their conviction, even though the government will not have such a classification until there is a draft.[14] Several religious, nonsectarian, and secular organizations allow conscientious objectors to file a written record stating their beliefs.[15][16][17][18][19]

In 1987, Congress ordered the Selective Service System to put in place a system capable of drafting "persons qualified for practice or employment in a health care occupation", if such a special-skills draft should be ordered by Congress. In response, Selective Service published plans for the "Health Care Personnel Delivery System" (HCPDS) in 1989 and has had them ready ever since. The concept underwent a preliminary field exercise in Fiscal Year 1998, followed by a more extensive nationwide readiness exercise in Fiscal Year 1999.[20] The HCPDS plans include women and men age 20–54 in 57 job categories.[21]

Men who were female at birth and have changed sex are not required to register.[22] There is no consistent policy as to whether registration is allowed when not required. Failure to register can cause problems such as denial of Pell Grants, even when registration is not allowed.[23]

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As an alternative method of encouraging registration, federal legislators passed laws requiring that to receive financial aid, federal grants and loans, certain government benefits, eligibility for most federal employment, and (if the person is an immigrant) eligibility for citizenship, a young man had to be registered (or had to have been registered, if they are over 26 but were required to register between 18 and 26) with Selective Service. Those who were required to register, but failed to do so before they turn 26, are no longer allowed to register, and thus may be permanently barred from federal jobs and other benefits, unless they can show to the Selective Service that their failure was not knowing and willful.[4] There is a procedure to provide an "information letter" by the SSS for those in these situations, for example recent citizens who entered the US after their 26th birthday.[25]

Most states, as well as the District of Columbia, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and Virgin Islands, have passed laws requiring registration in order for men 18–25 to be eligible for programs that vary on a per-jurisdiction basis but typically include driver's licenses, state-funded higher education benefits, and state government jobs.[26] Alaska also requires registration in order to receive an Alaska Permanent Fund dividend.[26] Eight states (Connecticut, Indiana, Nebraska, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Washington, and Wyoming) as well as Puerto Rico have no such requirements, though Indiana does give men 18–25 the option of registering with Selective Service when obtaining a drivers license or an identification card.[26]

Used to be that they sent your ass to jail for not registering. I really dislike the ideal of binding educational benefits to whether or not you register. I actually disagree with the whole system.
 
Yeah, I work at a college, and we've come across several students that neglected to register for the Selective Service. They were unable to qualify for Financial Aid and therefore could not continue their education. And once you're over 25, registering can take up to 6 months, so if you want to go back to school, you basically need to put your life on hold.
 
^^ I had to register in 1979. I wonder if it ever expires. :rommie:

And vice versa - men shoild be required, alowed and expected to do whatever women are required, allowed and expected to do.
Of course. Absolutely.

Women should be allowed to do everything men are allowed to do, expected to do everything men are expected to do and required to do everything men are required to do; anything less than that and women are still second-class citizens.
Very, very, very well put.
Thank you. :)
 
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