You try again, because that's the biggest case of denial I've ever seen if you think he was less well known than Quinto.
Quinto is out of the closet
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NPH was not A-list at the time nor is he now. He is B-list and at the time he was outed he was only barely that. Quinto is on the A-list track. The only question is "Will this knock him off that track or not.
Whether NPH or ZQ are A-listers or not doesn't matter. Before Star Trek '09, I had never heard of Zachary Quinto. Conversely, I've known who NPH was for over twenty years regardless of whether he was acting in all that time. They're both well-known now regardless of what "list" you want to put them in.
It matters to the studios. Which is why they have gone to such lengths over the years to reign in their stars.
Not really. Outside of the sci-fi community, Quinto isn't a household name (not everybody saw Heroes or Star Trek XI, y'know). In fact, I would argue that if Quinto wasn't associated with Trek, this would not be news at all.
Which would pertain to stuff outside of Trek that I'm not interested about in any event.
And that concerns us why? If any other news worthy event happened to a Trek star we would be talking about it and despite your ridiculous assertions to the contrary this is a news worth event.
It obviously concerns you because you continue to argue with me.
What is truly ridiculous is your arguing with someone who has said--repeatedly--that they don't care, nor do they find the story as earth-shattering as you do. That position hasn't changed.
I like Quinto as Spock. Anything outside of Trek--especially when it comes to his personal life--doesn't interest me in the slightest. I couldn't care less if Quinto is gay. It doesn't matter to me. So, what's your problem with that?
This debate is like the fashion industry; it generates its own momentum for no real benefit other than its own.
Movies and movie stars don't exist in a vacuum. Do people really think that the actors, directors, and producers are not aware of the (rumours about the) sexuality of their stars? They react because of concerns over how we will react. And how should we react to this non-event? We shouldn't.
If he were a one-dimensional movie action hero actor, he might have something to worry about because the perception is that that core audience is driven by machismo but none of the modern action hero actors have that much longevity in any event these days.
Quinto has appeared in successful TV shows, movies, and plays but he's not an A-list movie star. He's not a go-to guy to carry a Hollywood movie (Bradley Cooper is getting there for example but Quinto is way behind). There is plenty of breadth in his career and if he never got another Hollywood movie again he'd still get plenty of work. The guy has presence and talent.
FYI: Being a bad-tempered, drug-addled lunatic affected Rupert Everett's career, not being gay. Once he put that behind him, his career was revived - and he's still very gay... and ridiculously posh.
When asked, Tom Hardy openly admitted having gay relationships in his youth - he didn't back-pedal or retract as far as I'm aware. He simply pointed out that he was married to a woman and quite happy thank you very much. I think he was iritated by how much airtime the casual remark generated. Further, he made it quite clear that homosexuality and bi-sexuality is quite common among actors!
Sir Ian McKellan does just fine. John Gielgud was a renowned actor and they don't come much gayer. Nigel Hawthorne was 'outed' in the papers but he was rather irritated by all the fuss. He'd never made a secret about his lifestyle and had been attending functions with his partner for years. Everybody in the industry was aware and the papers made it out like it was a big secret to try and big up the story.
To summarise: I want Quinto's babies. Everybody back off.
Movies and movie stars don't exist in a vacuum. Do people really think that the actors, directors, and producers are not aware of the (rumours about the) sexuality of their stars? They react because of concerns over how we will react. And how should we react to this non-event? We shouldn't.
If he were a one-dimensional movie action hero actor, he might have something to worry about because the perception is that that core audience is driven by machismo but none of the modern action hero actors have that much longevity in any event these days.
Quinto has appeared in successful TV shows, movies, and plays but he's not an A-list movie star. He's not a go-to guy to carry a Hollywood movie (Bradley Cooper is getting there for example but Quinto is way behind). There is plenty of breadth in his career and if he never got another Hollywood movie again he'd still get plenty of work. The guy has presence and talent.
FYI: Being a bad-tempered, drug-addled lunatic affected Rupert Everett's career, not being gay. Once he put that behind him, his career was revived - and he's still very gay... and ridiculously posh.
When asked, Tom Hardy openly admitted having gay relationships in his youth - he didn't back-pedal or retract as far as I'm aware. He simply pointed out that he was married to a woman and quite happy thank you very much. I think he was iritated by how much airtime the casual remark generated. Further, he made it quite clear that homosexuality and bi-sexuality is quite common among actors!
Sir Ian McKellan does just fine. John Gielgud was a renowned actor and they don't come much gayer. Nigel Hawthorne was 'outed' in the papers but he was rather irritated by all the fuss. He'd never made a secret about his lifestyle and had been attending functions with his partner for years. Everybody in the industry was aware and the papers made it out like it was a big secret to try and big up the story.
To summarise: I want Quinto's babies. Everybody back off.
This debate is like the fashion industry; it generates its own momentum for no real benefit other than its own.
Movies and movie stars don't exist in a vacuum. Do people really think that the actors, directors, and producers are not aware of the (rumours about the) sexuality of their stars? They react because of concerns over how we will react. And how should we react to this non-event? We shouldn't.
If he were a one-dimensional movie action hero actor, he might have something to worry about because the perception is that that core audience is driven by machismo but none of the modern action hero actors have that much longevity in any event these days.
Quinto has appeared in successful TV shows, movies, and plays but he's not an A-list movie star. He's not a go-to guy to carry a Hollywood movie (Bradley Cooper is getting there for example but Quinto is way behind). There is plenty of breadth in his career and if he never got another Hollywood movie again he'd still get plenty of work. The guy has presence and talent.
FYI: Being a bad-tempered, drug-addled lunatic affected Rupert Everett's career, not being gay. Once he put that behind him, his career was revived - and he's still very gay... and ridiculously posh.
When asked, Tom Hardy openly admitted having gay relationships in his youth - he didn't back-pedal or retract as far as I'm aware. He simply pointed out that he was married to a woman and quite happy thank you very much. I think he was iritated by how much airtime the casual remark generated. Further, he made it quite clear that homosexuality and bi-sexuality is quite common among actors!
Sir Ian McKellan does just fine. John Gielgud was a renowned actor and they don't come much gayer. Nigel Hawthorne was 'outed' in the papers but he was rather irritated by all the fuss. He'd never made a secret about his lifestyle and had been attending functions with his partner for years. Everybody in the industry was aware and the papers made it out like it was a big secret to try and big up the story.
To summarise: I want Quinto's babies. Everybody back off.
Yes Tom Hardy admitted to having sex with guys in his past. Then almost immediately he backtracked.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/tom-hardy-denies-gay-rumors-claims-was-misquoted
That had publicist all over it.
^ Backtracked? 
He said he tried it, and he's just not into it anymore. Seems simple enough.
He said he tried it, and he's just not into it anymore. Seems simple enough.^ Backtracked?
Did you read the article? He is now saying he never had sex with men and the whole thing was a misquote. But his initial statement before the backtrack was pretty unambiguous.
Like I said it has publicist all over it.
Jeeze, did that really need to even be said!? Surely only 7 year olds assume actor/character is the same thing.
I should add that I like Quinto and I thought he was already out of the closet. Doesn't matter to me if he's gay or not. He still is one hot Spock.
The irony is that if you already "knew" that Quinto was gay even though he never came out, you could have only assumed that he was gay. And that makes you homophobic.
At least that's the discussion I had with a friend 15 minutes ago.
Please tell me you're joking.
Star Trek isn't homophobic. Society is. Or at least a big enough part of society that it would constitute a problem showing a gay character on Trek.
I love the way Quinto 'came out', the perfect way to do it
Other shows have had gay characters for decades. The powers that be on Trek are either homphobic, cowardly or both.
Jean-Luc Picard: Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well, there it sits...waiting!
We can accept a machine as an equal of a human being but cannot accept that one human might love another human in a way that we would not?
It's not causing an iota of trouble for the countless other television series and films that are "showing gay characters" as a matter of course - nor was it unheard of even in 1987.
Try again.
Perhaps to you, but I disagree. In today's world full of endless bullying and gay teen suicides, young gay people need all the positive role models they can get. They just got one more with Zachary Quinto.
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