TV Ratings (Thursday 29th September) + Friday

[Professor Zoom]

New shows tend to be watched by people who already watch that network. They might see ads for new shows, and a lot of viewership comes from viewers who don't bother to change the channel of the show they already watch, and end up watching the new show right after it, by default.

Is this a FACT or, again, supposition? Is there any actual data that people won't watch a show because it's on a network people don't watch as much as the others?

How do you even TEST that?

If a network has low viewership, then the number of people who have any awareness at all of the network's new shows will be less and less, and a vicious cycle sets in.

Except there's advertising. On the web. On bus stops. In magazines. It's not like TV shows or people live in a vacuum.

Also, I can't remember the last time I saw a show on NBC that didn't suck. First season of Heroes, I guess.

Grimm better be good. NBC pushed out the premiere out a week. I wonder if that has anything to do with a panic situation setting in?

I think NBC's dramas are generally miss--but, I feel that way about MOST of the dramas on ALL of the networks. I think, however, their comedies are funny. Except Whitney. Whitney is an abomination.

 

[Starbreaker]

You don't need a study to prove that CBS gets tons more viewers than CBS. Cop shows on CBS thrive while cop shows that are on the same level or superior fail on NBC or ABC (with the exception of Castle).

 

[Professor Zoom]

You don't need a study to prove that CBS gets tons more viewers than CBS. Cop shows on CBS thrive while cop shows that are on the same level or superior fail on NBC or ABC (with the exception of Castle).

I'm not calling for a study that says how many viewers watch a network. They already exist. This very thread.

What I'm asking is: do people NOT try something just because it's on a certain network?

Anybody here? Was there a show you saw a commercial for, for something you might be interested in, but didn't watch because it was on FOX? NBC? ABC?

 

[Starbreaker]

NBC's numbers are uniformly bad across the board excpet for SNF and The Office. I doubt any network truly has that many duds. It's just because people aren't watching the network, and don't see the promos and don't tune in. People that get online and talk about TV schedules are a very small minority.

 

[bigdaddy]

A better network would've cancelled it already.

It would have better ratings on a better network. Nobody wants to watch NBC anymore.

You think people aren't watching Community because it's on NBC? You seriously think that's why people aren't pushing a button to change the channel? You've got to be kidding me.

I love Community, but, it's not for everyone. It wouldn't become a huge hit on CBS. It would've been cancelled a LONG time ago.

I agree, the show could have been on any network and would have never even have gotten a full season order.

 

[Admiral_Young]

There was speculation early on that "Community" wouldn't make it through it's first four episodes...I seem to remember chatter that NBC was seriously debating cancelling the show then. Now it's started it's third season. Frankly I think we can expect those numbers to remain the same. As much as I love the show, it seems like it has reached it's niche of viewers and has a dedicated loyal fan base. It kind of reminds me of "Smallville" that way. It's just too bad NBC doesn't do more to promote it.

 

[Skywalker]

It does seem to hit around the same numbers, give or take, every week. It's been enough to keep the show around this long. I guess as long as NBC remains in such dire straits, and as long as it remains cost effective, then they'll keep Community around (which, yay!).

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

NBC produce a ton of shit but they could have created American Idol and people would still not watch it, NBC has a big stigma at the moment.

Well, The Voice doesn't get ratings as high as American Idol, but it's a significant hit nonetheless. So NBC does have the capacity to launch new hits. I don't think NBC has a stigma in the eyes of most viewers. It's just harder to launch new hits when you have so few hits currently on the schedule. Having strong lead-ins is still a powerful means of launching new shows. If you have to rely mostly on off-channel advertising it makes things more difficult, albeit not impossible.

 

[timothy]

New shows tend to be watched by people who already watch that network. They might see ads for new shows, and a lot of viewership comes from viewers who don't bother to change the channel of the show they already watch, and end up watching the new show right after it, by default.

If a network has low viewership, then the number of people who have any awareness at all of the network's new shows will be less and less, and a vicious cycle sets in.

Also, I can't remember the last time I saw a show on NBC that didn't suck. First season of Heroes, I guess.

Grimm better be good. NBC pushed out the premiere out a week. I wonder if that has anything to do with a panic situation setting in?

so does this mean they'll be moving prime suspect?
and, if so to what date?

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

so does this mean they'll be moving prime suspect?
and, if so to what date?

Chuck and Grimm will still be airing on Friday, just a week later than originally planned, so it doesn't affect Prime Suspect.

 

[Jax]

still waiting for more numbers to come out but looks like Fringe went from a 1.5 to a 1.2 though finals could see an increase but don't hold your breathe. I hope the writers plan a wrap up this season.

 

[timothy]

so does this mean they'll be moving prime suspect?
and, if so to what date?

Chuck and Grimm will still be airing on Friday, just a week later than originally planned, so it doesn't affect Prime Suspect.

okay cool thanks for that. prime suspect is awesome...

 

[bigdaddy]

It does seem to hit around the same numbers, give or take, every week. It's been enough to keep the show around this long. I guess as long as NBC remains in such dire straits, and as long as it remains cost effective, then they'll keep Community around (which, yay!).

They only need a forth season and then they can call it quits.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Marc Berman has the Friday fast nationals up. He's betting that NBC will end up keeping a two-hour bloc of Dateline on Friday and use Grimm to fill a slot for a cancelled show on another night.

 

[bigdaddy]

Marc Berman has the Friday fast nationals up. He's betting that NBC will end up keeping a two-hour bloc of Dateline on Friday and use Grimm to fill a slot for a cancelled show on another night.

What about Chuck?

And Grimm will move to Playboy Club.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Yeah, I think Grimm replacing The Playboy Club is a good bet. Chuck will probably stay on Friday.

 

[timothy]

Chuck should stay on monday's. grimm will be perfect for friday's.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

You don't need a study to prove that CBS gets tons more viewers than CBS. Cop shows on CBS thrive while cop shows that are on the same level or superior fail on NBC or ABC (with the exception of Castle).

I'm not calling for a study that says how many viewers watch a network. They already exist. This very thread.

What I'm asking is: do people NOT try something just because it's on a certain network?

Anybody here? Was there a show you saw a commercial for, for something you might be interested in, but didn't watch because it was on FOX? NBC? ABC?

Totally agree with what you're trying to say here, Zoom.

Nobody will start watching a show while flipping, get interested in it, then at the commercial break see that it's NBC, then be all "What? This is NBC? Screw this, I'm changing to CBS!"

It just seems to happen that people aren't interested in the shows on NBC, or that they don't have good lead-ins to get people to watch the new shows. That's really how it seems to be done these days. Take a hit show, and make a good show follow that (as nebulous as 'good' really is) then, spin-off from both of those shows onto new nights, then have those lead-in to another show, repeat.

Sometimes people are just too lazy to even change the channel, so if the TV is on CBS at 8, it's there until they fall asleep.

 

[Starbreaker]

I don't believe that people will change the channel because it's NBC, but how many people will actually turn the channel to NBC to begin with? If you watch CBS and Criminal Minds, the nightly news on CBS, and then probably some of Letterman before you go to bed, how are you going to get those people to change the channel to NBC?

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't believe that people will change the channel because it's NBC, but how many people will actually turn the channel to NBC to begin with?

Well, at least 4 million people do for Community...

People DO watch NBC, it's just not as many as the other networks.

Right now, I'm sampling ALL of the shows that I have the least bit of interest in regardless of network.

If you watch CBS and Criminal Minds, the nightly news on CBS, and then probably some of Letterman before you go to bed, how are you going to get those people to change the channel to NBC?

I do wonder what the percentage is of people who do that... who turn on a channel and just leave it regardless of shows.

Now, I'll watch a channel for a couple of hours if there is a block of shows that I want to see. Like Monday night on CBS. Or Thursday night on NBC. But, I also hop around...or my DVR does... to follow other shows. Like Monday, I might start on CBS, but I end with Castle on ABC. (Which, of course, neither network would want me to do--they WANT you to stay on 1 channel. But, I'm sorry, Hawaii 5-0 is forgettable, and I don't watch Dancing with the Celebrities Who Are Famous for No Good Reason.)