That highlights my dilemma. Moffat's individual episodes are some of my favorites but his hand at running the whole show has left me feeling sort of flat.
RDA Era Vs Moffat Era
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That highlights my dilemma. Moffat's individual episodes are some of my favorites but his hand at running the whole show has left me feeling sort of flat.
pretty sure live+7 IS factored into the ratings these days. Thats why overnights see a big increase of 2-3m compared to the RTD era where you saw 1m difference max. Overnights aren't very good to gauge the shows populairty anymore. Though I really do get the impression the ratings have dropped, and less people are watching - not on the cancellation level or anything of course.
I haven't looked at ratings in a while, but a guardian article says family fortunes on ITV1 beat it this week?!
I haven't looked at ratings in a while, but a guardian article says family fortunes on ITV1 beat it this week?!
No, Live +7 is a BBC-only thing. BARB are meant to be working on incorporating online catch-up viewings into the final consolidated figures, but that is sometime away from happening. At the moment, it is only PVRs like Sky+ and TiVO, DVD and VCR (for those who still use it) recordings that are counted for timeshifting.
Both "The God Complex" and "Closing Time" were beaten in overnight ratings by Family Fortunes, seemingly as people were tuning into it because The X-Factor was on afterwards. Consolidated ratings were released for "The God Complex" a few days ago, and they show that Doctor Who had a massive timeshift of viewers watching on PVRs etc., and overtook Family Fortunes with a huge gap between them. It will be the same when the consolidated ratings for "Closing Time" are released early next week.
In terms of how the show is performing in comparison with previous series, on an average of consolidated viewing figures it is very slightly down on Series 5, but is equal with Series 2 and beating Series 3. If you add in people who watch the same-week repeats on BBC3 and people watching on iPlayer, it is probably the case that the show since it came back in 2005 has never been watched by more people than it is at the moment, not counting the Christmas specials which always get bigger audiences because its that time of year.
Well this is the entire problem, the papers are loving reporting that Doctor Who is on the wane, the ratings are down and the fans are leaving in droves because it's too complicated. But they're never reporting the final figures, which take massive jumps, even higher when you take iPlayer in to account.
And the fear is that of it becomintg clyclical, the papers say people aren't watching so people don't watch. That said they seem to have stopped going on about it as much (or maybe people just aren't reporting it here as much anymore).
I'm still guessing Who's ratings are better than the circulation of most of the newspapers!
I'm still guessing Who's ratings are better than the circulation of most of the newspapers!
Seems there's plenty of people recognising the facts, even if it's not going to get wide circulation and proper recognition from the newspapers. But look the guardian even mention it...
Yet the headline is still
Doctor Who's mixed fortunes continue
Well they are still getting beaten in the overnights which wasn't happening a few years ago so it is mixed fortunes.
Oh and the - people were switching over at the last minute for X-Factor thing doesn't quite work as Who was pretty much neck and neck at 7:15pm and behind by about 700k at 7:30pm so well before X-Factor started - this is God Complex week haven't checked last weeks.
Yes the new way of measuring things shows Who is still doing well but I don't think the newspapers are being that ridiculous given how line overnights have been the main indicator of success especially as when overnights have been low before we were told early starts and good weather were the problem which hasn't been the case here.
Oh and the - people were switching over at the last minute for X-Factor thing doesn't quite work as Who was pretty much neck and neck at 7:15pm and behind by about 700k at 7:30pm so well before X-Factor started - this is God Complex week haven't checked last weeks.
Yes the new way of measuring things shows Who is still doing well but I don't think the newspapers are being that ridiculous given how line overnights have been the main indicator of success especially as when overnights have been low before we were told early starts and good weather were the problem which hasn't been the case here.
^But even then they were making up the numbers in catch up, repeats, and time shift. Trouble is if there's a live show on and a show like Doctor Who that you know you'll have multiple chances to see again what are you going to choose to watch if you like the live thing and Doctor Who?
As far as I recall the last few weeks it's been 6:40, 7:15, 7:10 and this weeks is 7:05
I just find it hard to figure out why Family Fortunes is now such a draw against Who when similar programmes haven't been in the past.
I would always expect Who to get squashed by the likes of BGT and X-Factor which have a proper reason to be best viewed live but Family Fortunes!?
^Celeb Family Fortunes, don't under-estimate the celeb bit. Though don't forget the overnights are averages, so if for the final 5 minutes of Family Fortunes an extra 4 million people switch on for X-Factor that boosts the average by a lot.
In millions with BBC1 first
1900 - 3.5 v 4.3
1905 - 3.9 v 4.6
1910 - 4.8 v 4.9
1915 - 5.1 v 5.2
1920 - 5.1 v 5.6
1925 - 5.3 v 5.7
1930 - 5.3 v 5.7
1935 - 5.3 v 6.1
1940 - 5.3 v 6.2
1945 - 5.5 v 6
1950 - 5.6 v 6.6
1955 - 3.9 v 6.1
2000 - 3 v 8.4
Doctor Who is still doing well and the BBC are leaps and bounds ahead of ITV in terms of understanding and making use of types of ratings other than overnights so Who is secure but it's not just the extra X-Factor viewers doing this!
1900 - 3.5 v 4.3
1905 - 3.9 v 4.6
1910 - 4.8 v 4.9
1915 - 5.1 v 5.2
1920 - 5.1 v 5.6
1925 - 5.3 v 5.7
1930 - 5.3 v 5.7
1935 - 5.3 v 6.1
1940 - 5.3 v 6.2
1945 - 5.5 v 6
1950 - 5.6 v 6.6
1955 - 3.9 v 6.1
2000 - 3 v 8.4
Doctor Who is still doing well and the BBC are leaps and bounds ahead of ITV in terms of understanding and making use of types of ratings other than overnights so Who is secure but it's not just the extra X-Factor viewers doing this!
That's bizarre! Any idea why the BBC schedules shows like that? What's on before and after Who over there that warrants such varying airtimes?
It's the Saturday schedule. There's Strictly Come Dancing, Epic Win, Total Wipeout type shows, and Casualty, and the national lottery and associated stuff. And sport and stuff during the day in the run up to the evening schedule.
See, I really liked the Graham Williams era. I felt he treated the show with exactly the right level of whimsy. Why JNT felt the show would work as dead-serious sci-fi for teenagers I'll never know.
I strongly suspect you're right. 3 of the last 4 episodes have been set in an apartment building, a hotel, & a department store.
I'm sure I'll regret asking this but... Which 2 are the worst episodes?
^He does have less budget than RTD, I believe he said so before series 5 started but he hoped he could make it so no one would notice. I believe BBC America made up some of the difference this series though.
Moffat was a great writer under Davies. He wrote some great episodes. But I much prefer the Davies era.
In one interview Moffat said that he wrote DW in the perspective that it was a children show. And personally, I feel he took himself seriously.
Davies has such great sci-fi stories, more energy into the show, better concepts, standalones, better written, more intelligent, more adult, more twisted (in general). Still Moffat is great too. DW is still one of my favorite series on TV under Moffat, but some episodes are really bad. More childish. While others are great.
In one interview Moffat said that he wrote DW in the perspective that it was a children show. And personally, I feel he took himself seriously.
Davies has such great sci-fi stories, more energy into the show, better concepts, standalones, better written, more intelligent, more adult, more twisted (in general). Still Moffat is great too. DW is still one of my favorite series on TV under Moffat, but some episodes are really bad. More childish. While others are great.
