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Starfleet vs. Klingons (who wins)
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Well. The battle lines here seem to be drawn and the poll, surprisingly, has jumped for the Klingons - but the Feds still have overwhelming support, and no surprise. I feel I need to remind their supporters though that in TOS they were very much evenly matched for about 5 years and the Enterprise, the flagship mind you, used tricks most of the time instead of relying on strength to win. And again in the alt. reality where the Fed did not have plot to save it; they LOST - repeatedly as is seen when the Empire is still around for DS9 as I recall.
-And thankyou very much
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Never give up, Never surrender! Man the batteries, full speed ahead. ?
This is why Klingons had cloak capability. Feds dug themselves a hole with that treaty.
Never give up, Never surrender! Man the batteries, full speed ahead. ?
This is why Klingons had cloak capability. Feds dug themselves a hole with that treaty.
Leave it to the writer to make the Klingons look bad. [chuckle] I don't think a lot of writers knows what it takes to be a great warrior.
If you give an ordinary person a sword and tell them to go out and fight, they would still piss in their pants and probably run at the first sign of danger. [laugh]
If you give an ordinary person a sword and tell them to go out and fight, they would still piss in their pants and probably run at the first sign of danger. [laugh]
Give that same person a football and watch what happens though.
Regular people can and will fight, they just need proper motivation. This remindns me of WWII; we (U.S.) did not want anything to do with the war, or battle, or fighting at all; but come a certain attack and the industry goes uber Mode with recruits signing in left and right.
Same thing for Star Trek. The Feds are peacemakers, but given the proper incentive (Klingons massacring a colony on a tactical world) they will all get up en unison to attack. So the Feds with superior economy will quickly outproduce the Klingons.This new war will invigorate Klingon people with their battle spirit and we will have a Germany situation where a crushed and weak but spirited people quickly rebuild. They will still be outmatched - but that is a temporary setback. The Feds will quickly lose their advantage by attempting last-minuite negotiatons so they dont start a war. Klingons will have no problem with that fact and open fire, probably siezing the few outposts/planets they need to really build a line of defense. The Feds will send in a moderate battlegroup to retaliate which the Klingons might destory totally if they use their cloaks effectively. While the Fed rounds up a bigger battlegroup, the Klingons would press their advantage to take more ground. Now here is where it gets tricky; the Feds will officially round up a attlegroup while pursuing negotiations, but individual Captains may find ways to do crippling damage - in which case the Klingons retaliate even harsher.... just lost my train of thought. Anyway's thats my analysis of the opening first few weeks anyways.
Regular people can and will fight, they just need proper motivation. This remindns me of WWII; we (U.S.) did not want anything to do with the war, or battle, or fighting at all; but come a certain attack and the industry goes uber Mode with recruits signing in left and right.
Same thing for Star Trek. The Feds are peacemakers, but given the proper incentive (Klingons massacring a colony on a tactical world) they will all get up en unison to attack. So the Feds with superior economy will quickly outproduce the Klingons.This new war will invigorate Klingon people with their battle spirit and we will have a Germany situation where a crushed and weak but spirited people quickly rebuild. They will still be outmatched - but that is a temporary setback. The Feds will quickly lose their advantage by attempting last-minuite negotiatons so they dont start a war. Klingons will have no problem with that fact and open fire, probably siezing the few outposts/planets they need to really build a line of defense. The Feds will send in a moderate battlegroup to retaliate which the Klingons might destory totally if they use their cloaks effectively. While the Fed rounds up a bigger battlegroup, the Klingons would press their advantage to take more ground. Now here is where it gets tricky; the Feds will officially round up a attlegroup while pursuing negotiations, but individual Captains may find ways to do crippling damage - in which case the Klingons retaliate even harsher.... just lost my train of thought. Anyway's thats my analysis of the opening first few weeks anyways.
Right...that's why I said the spiritual side of Muay Thai is entirely devoted to Buddhism. They always teach you to be a good person and only fight for the right reasons. People who fight for what they believe in are always stronger.
And, with all due respect...MMA fighters are the greatest athletes their is. Did you see the fight where that huge football player get knocked out by a much smaller guy?
And, with all due respect...MMA fighters are the greatest athletes their is. Did you see the fight where that huge football player get knocked out by a much smaller guy?
I tend to skip those channels actually, but ive watched Rudy. small guy wins if he trains hard enough.
but as for my analysis?
but as for my analysis?
How about over inflated budget starships? [chuckle] That's what I see the Fed economy is like. In FC it was mentioned that people didn't work for money anymore. maybe that's why the Klingons and Cardassians seem to produce better phasers than the Fed....or at least it seems that way.
Germany was that great in compared to the British Empire or America for that matter. I think at the time the British Empire has over extend its boundary...just like what happened to Rome...and was at it's weakest. Germany had far less colonies abroad than Britain. I think your analysis is not entirely accurate.
I think the Klingon fighting skills are more akin to that of the Romans or the Native Americans than anything, but they dressed like Vikings. I could be wrong, though!
Germany was that great in compared to the British Empire or America for that matter. I think at the time the British Empire has over extend its boundary...just like what happened to Rome...and was at it's weakest. Germany had far less colonies abroad than Britain. I think your analysis is not entirely accurate.
I think the Klingon fighting skills are more akin to that of the Romans or the Native Americans than anything, but they dressed like Vikings. I could be wrong, though!
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They didn't take Vulcan
Ok, you're right...but they did take Betazed...
Though according to the episode that was mentioned in, it was a basically undefended Betazed, as the fleet protecting it had moved for training and the remaing defences were near obselete.
Ok. In regards to the first few weeks, what do you see happening then?
I am thinking that you might not be too far off with the Roman and Viking comparison, but I am just not seeing the Native American fighting style. Please elaborate.
Well, the Roman and Native Americans are more resourceful. The Native of America could keep on fighting...at least as long as they could hold. The reason the U.S. won was because their way of life depended on industrial stuff and agriculture...but the Natives' were based largely on hunting and gathering.
ok. And about those first few weeks?
The first few weeks is hard to tell. The Klingons has to be decisive and move in like lightning...taking out key strategic sectors. I think the Klingons would win in the beginning with shear firepower. That's why their ships are build to have phaser cannons pointing at the target.
And...with the cloak...that would help them in a surprise attack on slip through undetected when attacking key systems or a particular target.
I don't know? Don't take my words for it!
And...with the cloak...that would help them in a surprise attack on slip through undetected when attacking key systems or a particular target.
I don't know? Don't take my words for it!
If I have the year right, the Federation/Klingon war start the same year as the massacre of Federation colonists on Setlik Three, by Cardassian forces. If (hypothetically) the Federation/Cardassian conflict area were on the opposite side of the Federation from the Klingon Empire, and there were a perception of peace with the Empire, Starfleet easily could of had it's combat capable starships on the "wrong" side of the Federation dealing with the Cardassians.
So the Federation, at least initially, could have been fighting a two front war.
ouch. bad break, Fed. Im just thinking here, but once the war protracts on long enough; the treknobable engineers will start developing some new device to turn the tide. Klingons would simply steal said device and turn it against the Fed: ref Genesis
If this point has already been mentioned, hey I'm sorry. Please bear with it though.
In Yesterday's Enterprise, the destruction of the outpost on Narendra III is what led to the war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. As far as I know, the exact chain of events that led to war was never revealed. However, I always assumed anyway that the Federation was blamed for complicity of some kind, while in the restored time line, the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C undermined belief in such complicity.
Therefore, it is entirely possible, is it it not, that in the alternate timeline of YE, the Klingons could have gained allies against the Federation, because they too perhaps even reasonably believed that the Federation was complicit? It is not established in YE whether allies have shifted from the Federation to the Empire, not only because they are afraid of the Klingons, but also because they no longer believe in the morality of the Federation.
This is why the circumstances of the cause of a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire are important to the question. It's also why using YE as a benchmark isn't accurate, except maybe to resolve the question with respect to similar triggers which could have undermined belief in the Federation's good intentions.
In Yesterday's Enterprise, the destruction of the outpost on Narendra III is what led to the war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. As far as I know, the exact chain of events that led to war was never revealed. However, I always assumed anyway that the Federation was blamed for complicity of some kind, while in the restored time line, the sacrifice of the Enterprise-C undermined belief in such complicity.
Therefore, it is entirely possible, is it it not, that in the alternate timeline of YE, the Klingons could have gained allies against the Federation, because they too perhaps even reasonably believed that the Federation was complicit? It is not established in YE whether allies have shifted from the Federation to the Empire, not only because they are afraid of the Klingons, but also because they no longer believe in the morality of the Federation.
This is why the circumstances of the cause of a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire are important to the question. It's also why using YE as a benchmark isn't accurate, except maybe to resolve the question with respect to similar triggers which could have undermined belief in the Federation's good intentions.
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