Be fair now. She was pretty shite in a lot of series 5.
6.5X010 The Girl Who Waited (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)
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It doesn't particularly make sense. It wasn't broken up significantly. Maybe that's just from an American perspective, where breaks are the norm, not the exception, though.
Karen can act just fine. I just wish they'd make her character a bit less annoyingly self-centered.
That's known as "sassy" these days, and is supposedly a desirable quality in a Doctor Who companion.
Meh. Give me an old-school companion any day then. Its probably why I prefer Rory.
Hell, I even liked old Amy better.
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I would rate it as an "A." At first I thought some of the characterization was off, but on a second viewing everything seems much better. A good heartfelt episode ...
Because no classic companion was ever sassy? Willful? independant?
Sarah Jane, Leela, Tegan...and that's just off the top of my head!
I liked this episode, but I think I would have liked it even more if they had saved it for later and used it as Amy's and Rory's final story as companions.
I understand why the Doctor lied to old Amy, but I still think it was wrong. He did not have the right to erase old Amy from time just so that young Amy wouldn't have to be alone and in danger for almost 40 years. The moment Rory met old Amy she technically became the "real" Amy, the 40 years of waiting had already happened, it sucks for young Amy, but the Doctor really should have accepted it.
It would have been a great reason for both Amy and Rory to leave. I don't think they would have hated the Doctor for what he did, he was in an awful situation too, but Rory should have resented that the Doctor unexpectedly forced him to make the decision and Amy should have realized that she can no longer really trust the Doctor. Yes, he saved her, but old Amy was her too and he slammed the TARDIS door right into her face. It could have easilly been young Amy outside, if the Doctor had made a different decision at the last moment. The final scene should have been something like "Thanks for saving me, but we're out of here, because in the end we can only lose if we stay with you".
Losing Melody was bad enough, but this should have been the last straw, I don't know how the writers will rationalize their decision to continue traveling with the Doctor, I hope the issue is addressed next week, it would be weird if they had just another adventure.
I understand why the Doctor lied to old Amy, but I still think it was wrong. He did not have the right to erase old Amy from time just so that young Amy wouldn't have to be alone and in danger for almost 40 years. The moment Rory met old Amy she technically became the "real" Amy, the 40 years of waiting had already happened, it sucks for young Amy, but the Doctor really should have accepted it.
It would have been a great reason for both Amy and Rory to leave. I don't think they would have hated the Doctor for what he did, he was in an awful situation too, but Rory should have resented that the Doctor unexpectedly forced him to make the decision and Amy should have realized that she can no longer really trust the Doctor. Yes, he saved her, but old Amy was her too and he slammed the TARDIS door right into her face. It could have easilly been young Amy outside, if the Doctor had made a different decision at the last moment. The final scene should have been something like "Thanks for saving me, but we're out of here, because in the end we can only lose if we stay with you".
Losing Melody was bad enough, but this should have been the last straw, I don't know how the writers will rationalize their decision to continue traveling with the Doctor, I hope the issue is addressed next week, it would be weird if they had just another adventure.
Is it? My impression is that they don't give a shit.
Saving baby Melody would have subtracted prepubecent Mels and post pubescent Mels from every day of their lives since they met on the first day of school.
They would have ripped their history in half.
Again.
They would have ripped their history in half.
Again.
You're right, they seem to have forgotten her and I don't buy the "We grew up with her, so technically everything's fine" explanation. Knowing a friend doesn't compare to raising your own child and it ignores that she still spend the first years of her live being brainwashed to assassinate the Doctor. They should realize that they can't get baby Melody back, but it should be an issue.
I guess I shouldn't expect this episode to affect Amy and Rory's relationship with the Doctor either.
I like sassy just fine. But the mark of a good heroic companion is someone who'll put themselves in harms way to help other people. Off the top of my head I can't think of any time when Amy risked herself for anyone but herself, Rory, or the Doctor. That was my original point, that she seemed just a bit too self-centered.
Vampires In Venice? Though I do agree she has been self-centered, I think all along this has been a story of her growing up and away from that self-centeredness.
Why? Why should the Doctor have simply accepted it at that point? He's the experienced time traveler, and he knew that wasn't the way it was supposed to be.
Thinking about it, this episode gives us a lot of possible outs for the Doctor's death back in episode one of this season - In that episode, the Doctor who dies has no TARDIS... What if the Doc nips back, with River - to the Two Streams facility from Saturday, pops into the waterfall room, dodges the Handbots for a day... atthe end of the day there's a 200 years older version, *but*...
He knows how to bring his one-day older version and 200 year-older version together, leave the facility, River gives 200 year-older version her TVM (or takes him, thus "killing him" herself and getting over the compulsion) to travel back to Lake Silencio and pick up a hire car, while one-day older (i.e. regular) Doc tor takes the TARDIS to under the lake, and changes into a space-suit, to kill the 200-years older alt-stream version of himself...
He knows how to bring his one-day older version and 200 year-older version together, leave the facility, River gives 200 year-older version her TVM (or takes him, thus "killing him" herself and getting over the compulsion) to travel back to Lake Silencio and pick up a hire car, while one-day older (i.e. regular) Doc tor takes the TARDIS to under the lake, and changes into a space-suit, to kill the 200-years older alt-stream version of himself...
ANd he was talking to River about dates they'd had.
Or we're meant to think that- remember the younger Doctor has also been separate from Rory and Amy for several months, and could be doing those things. And when he leaves them to go to his death, we don't know how long he'll take to get there, what with side-trips like the one to see James Corden and the Cybermen...
Of course there'll be plenty of timey-wimey ways that they can get round what happened in TIA, but there you've got a nice solid one that works, without gangers and clones, and fits logically with what we've already seen this season.
Proves it can be done, if nothing else.
