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ComicMix on Licensed Comics

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Former DC Comics editor Mike Gold writes about some of the problems in publishing licensed comics in a new column for ComicMix.

He talks about Star Trek midway through:
But when it comes to licensed properties, you've got the owners licensed products people to deal with. Not only do they not know comics, they usually do not know the properties they administrator. Case in point:

The idiot who passed judgment on DC's Star Trek titles was so bad, if writer Peter David and editor Bob Greenberger flew out to Los Angeles and murdered the son of a bitch, I would have gone to great lengths to establish a solid alibi for them. Probably one involving a Mets game… but I digress.
The rest of the essay is great, too. Including an anecdote about Looney Toons comics. :)
 
Former DC Comics editor Mike Gold writes about some of the problems in publishing licensed comics in a new column for ComicMix.

He talks about Star Trek midway through:
But when it comes to licensed properties, you've got the owners licensed products people to deal with. Not only do they not know comics, they usually do not know the properties they administrator. Case in point:

The idiot who passed judgment on DC's Star Trek titles was so bad, if writer Peter David and editor Bob Greenberger flew out to Los Angeles and murdered the son of a bitch, I would have gone to great lengths to establish a solid alibi for them. Probably one involving a Mets game… but I digress.

Haha. It's good to know that the loathing for Richard Arnold isn't limited to just Trek writers and the fandom.
 
Hehe! Yep. The sad thing is, he actually does know a lot about Star Trek. He's just an ass.

Actually, the thing that's even more sad is, any time one of the recent Trek books gets reviewed over on trekmovie.com, in the comments you see a bunch of hardcore Trek fans who think just like he does. "Nothing interesting should ever happen in the books because I don't plan to read them, but if I do happen to pick one up I should immediately know everything that's going on."
 
I can't even begin to imagine what a nightmare it must have been at times to have to deal with Richard Arnold.
I guess the guy probably had good intentions, but I don't think he could have possibly gone about enforcing his/Rodenberry's ideas in a worse way.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard for all the hatred of the many boneheaded decisions made during the Arnold Era...but a part of me wonders sometimes if it wasn't a blessing in disguise.

As much as we all love some of the classics from the Eighties, they are in many ways incompatible with the canon of today. Without that intervening era, I could easily see how the literary version of TOS which was evolving then would've continued into an Expanded Universe more and more at odds with the universe TNG was presenting. (This is the sort of thing Star Wars fans are discovering through glaring contradictions introduced by The Clone Wars, which carries more canonical "weight" in the Lucasfilm approach.)

Nowadays, with nothing new onscreen in the Prime timeline, we can pick and choose those elements of older works that can be incorporated into the current literary continuity--in part because those works were often so separate. I'm not sure how easy that would've been if a more involved continuity, with underlying assumptions more difficult to reconcile with what came onscreen later, had existed at the time.
 
I see what you're getting at, but I don't feel the 80's TrekLit was ever that consistent with itself to really build an EU out of. Different authors extrapolated Trek in different directions; I always knew to expect a different interpretation from a Diane Duane novel than from an A.C. Crispin novel or from a Marshak & Culbreth novel. Star Wars prose generally tried to be more consistent with itself.

And even so, the authors always understood that film canon trumps print, and I think it's safe to assume that they would have adjusted their approaches to keep things consistent even without Richard Arnold telling them how to.
 
I see what you're getting at, but I don't feel the 80's TrekLit was ever that consistent with itself to really build an EU out of. Different authors extrapolated Trek in different directions; I always knew to expect a different interpretation from a Diane Duane novel than from an A.C. Crispin novel or from a Marshak & Culbreth novel. Star Wars prose generally tried to be more consistent with itself.

There was an increasing interconnectedness among the '80s novels over time, though, as the editor at the time encouraged the books to cross-reference each other. Had the process continued, a more unified continuity would've likely emerged.
 
There was an increasing interconnectedness among the '80s novels over time, though, as the editor at the time encouraged the books to cross-reference each other. Had the process continued, a more unified continuity would've likely emerged.
Very true. The last gasp of the 80s novelverse would be the books around Spock's World, Final Frontier, Time for Yesterday, and The Lost Years, particularly the last three, where the authors were each playing around with others' material. (Unfortunately, we never got the book that was to lead into The Lost Years, Diane Carey's "The Federation Mutinies.") That's the high water mark; then we enter a period of self-contained books that continues for six years until Invasion!, and the novel continuity that starts to form after that does so on its own terms, leaving the 80s behind.
 
There was an increasing interconnectedness among the '80s novels over time, though, as the editor at the time encouraged the books to cross-reference each other. Had the process continued, a more unified continuity would've likely emerged.
Very true. The last gasp of the 80s novelverse would be the books around Spock's World, Final Frontier, Time for Yesterday, and The Lost Years, particularly the last three, where the authors were each playing around with others' material. (Unfortunately, we never got the book that was to lead into The Lost Years, Diane Carey's "The Federation Mutinies.") That's the high water mark; then we enter a period of self-contained books that continues for six years until Invasion!, and the novel continuity that starts to form after that does so on its own terms, leaving the 80s behind.

Ahh, okay. I read Final Frontier and The Lost Years at the time, but I didn't read Spock's World until The Empty Chair was about to come out, and Time for Yesterday is still sitting on my shelf patiently waiting its turn. :vulcan: So either I didn't notice the cross-referencing at the time or I forgot. Thanks to both of you for clarifying that for me.

Still, any time something in TrekLit has been contradicted by the unfolding canon, it seems that Trek fandom in general has just kind of shrugged and said "Oh well, they were still good stories," kept what might still fit and just disregarded what didn't, adapting to the new status quo. Diane Duane's Dark Mirror comes to mind; when DS9 re-introduced the Mirror Universe, it totally negated that book, but you didn't see Paramount scrambling to try to reconcile both of them the way that starwars.com does to try to reconcile whatever Clone Wars is contradicting in the EU this week.

While I admire the Star Wars licensing department for trying to keep everything canon, once it becomes this much of a headache I think it's much simpler to take the approach of most other licensed properties and say "film is canon, print isn't" and be done with it.
 
So either I didn't notice the cross-referencing at the time or I forgot.

Robert Greenberger often mentioned the behind-the-scenes cross-pollination of DC, Pocket and FASA in the lettercol of the DC Comics (ST Series I). It was exciting to find the Easter eggs.
 
There was an increasing interconnectedness among the '80s novels over time, though, as the editor at the time encouraged the books to cross-reference each other. Had the process continued, a more unified continuity would've likely emerged.
Very true. The last gasp of the 80s novelverse would be the books around Spock's World, Final Frontier, Time for Yesterday, and The Lost Years, particularly the last three, where the authors were each playing around with others' material. (Unfortunately, we never got the book that was to lead into The Lost Years, Diane Carey's "The Federation Mutinies.") That's the high water mark; then we enter a period of self-contained books that continues for six years until Invasion!, and the novel continuity that starts to form after that does so on its own terms, leaving the 80s behind.

Ahh, okay. I read Final Frontier and The Lost Years at the time, but I didn't read Spock's World until The Empty Chair was about to come out, and Time for Yesterday is still sitting on my shelf patiently waiting its turn. :vulcan: So either I didn't notice the cross-referencing at the time or I forgot. Thanks to both of you for clarifying that for me.

Still, any time something in TrekLit has been contradicted by the unfolding canon, it seems that Trek fandom in general has just kind of shrugged and said "Oh well, they were still good stories," kept what might still fit and just disregarded what didn't, adapting to the new status quo. Diane Duane's Dark Mirror comes to mind; when DS9 re-introduced the Mirror Universe, it totally negated that book, but you didn't see Paramount scrambling to try to reconcile both of them the way that starwars.com does to try to reconcile whatever Clone Wars is contradicting in the EU this week.

While I admire the Star Wars licensing department for trying to keep everything canon, once it becomes this much of a headache I think it's much simpler to take the approach of most other licensed properties and say "film is canon, print isn't" and be done with it.
At least with Trek we have the Parallels/Strar Trek (2009) explanation. If it doesn't fit then it just took place in a parallel reality. This explanation works even better for Dark Mirror now that we've seen either one or two universes in which the Terran Empire is still around. In Fearful Symmetry we saw Fleet Captain Benjamin Sisko of the Terran Empire, and then in Q & A we see an ISS Enterprise-E with Picard as Captain, Lore as First Officer, and O'Brien as Chief Engineer.
 
At least with Trek we have the Parallels/Strar Trek (2009) explanation. If it doesn't fit then it just took place in a parallel reality. This explanation works even better for Dark Mirror now that we've seen either one or two universes in which the Terran Empire is still around. In Fearful Symmetry we saw Fleet Captain Benjamin Sisko of the Terran Empire, and then in Q & A we see an ISS Enterprise-E with Picard as Captain, Lore as First Officer, and O'Brien as Chief Engineer.
Sounds like Star Trek needs a Crisis. Wonder what the Anti-Monitor is up to these days... :)
 
^ Oddly enough, it doesn't sound like we would have seen any of the alternate mirror universes without one or the other of those sets of beings.
 
At least with Trek we have the Parallels/Strar Trek (2009) explanation. If it doesn't fit then it just took place in a parallel reality. This explanation works even better for Dark Mirror now that we've seen either one or two universes in which the Terran Empire is still around. In Fearful Symmetry we saw Fleet Captain Benjamin Sisko of the Terran Empire, and then in Q & A we see an ISS Enterprise-E with Picard as Captain, Lore as First Officer, and O'Brien as Chief Engineer.
Sounds like Star Trek needs a Crisis. Wonder what the Anti-Monitor is up to these days... :)

Didn't Trelane already try that?
 
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