Worst stereotype in Trek...

[Pauln6]

Trek does have a bit of a double-standard though. Compare the indignant disapproval of the women of Angel One to the tongue in cheek disapproval of the Ferengi's far worse treatment of their women. Bashir expresses surprise when faced with a matriarchal society.

Personally I think it's a numbers game. If they stuck to a stricter 50/50 casting policy we would see far greater diversity in the characters. Sadly, the default setting is male unless the character HAS to be female (wives, mothers, love interests) or unless somebody actively decides a character should be female. This is why the 2:1 (or worse) ratio has been consistent all through every version of the franchise.

 

[SFRabid]

How about weight? All the main characters are close to the perfect weight for their height. I can only think of one female character that was overweight, TNG: an alien keyboard player in a bar that Riker visits. He shows her a jazz lick. Overweight men are usually limited to bums and crooks.

 

[Satyrquaze]

How about weight? All the main characters are close to the perfect weight for their height. I can only think of one female character that was overweight, TNG: an alien keyboard player in a bar that Riker visits. He shows her a jazz lick. Overweight men are usually limited to bums and crooks.

Season 3 Kirk was not near his ideal weight.
ENT finale Riker was anywhere near his ideal weight.
Scotty from STII on? Really??
Sisko during the first season of DS9?

If you're going to bring the multi-armed jazz Piano player from 'Unification' why not bring a named character like K'mpec into it as well.

 

[SFRabid]

I'll give you Sisko who was hired a little heavy and then got in shape. The others were hired at an ideal weight and then gained some. And you bring up Scotty? Really? How long after TOS was STII?

 

[Satyrquaze]

A better question might be how long was STII after TMP.

What about all those named Klingon warriors who were on the heavier side? Are they crooks or bums?

 

[SFRabid]

A better question might be how long was STII after TMP.

What about all those named Klingon warriors who were on the heavier side? Are they crooks or bums?

I'm sorry. Of course you are correct. Those few aging Klingons really made a difference. Fat people are glorified in Star Trek.

(better?)

 

[Nerys Myk]

Trek is TV and movies. Made in "Hollywood". Of course the leads will be attractive people in good shape.

 

[Satyrquaze]

A better question might be how long was STII after TMP.

What about all those named Klingon warriors who were on the heavier side? Are they crooks or bums?

I'm sorry. Of course you are correct. Those few aging Klingons really made a difference. Fat people are glorified in Star Trek.

(better?)

Sure.

 

[iguana_tonante]

And if men were to buy expensive clothes or something like that, they would only buy a couple or one and stick to it until it got worn out. It's kindda weird for men to like dressing up...most people would think you're gay. [chuckle]

Or Italian.

I'm not belittling women. Let's face it. That's how most women think. When they think of men they see a grunting ape and wonder why men find sport, tools and big machines so fascinating. Have you seen "Judge Judy"? Even educated and women in the position of power and authority think this way. I'm just speaking the truth.

Thanks for telling us how women think. I think I'll have the opinion of actual women, tho.

And you know what we say? They're always right... Nag! Nag! Nag!

If you say women think of men as grunting apes, you are not helping changing their minds.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What about all those named Klingon warriors who were on the heavier side? Are they crooks or bums?

I doubt it. Klingons don't seem to care what a warrior looks like, as long as they can fight.

 

[Anwar]

A better question might be how long was STII after TMP.

TMP was supposed to be around 5 years (at most) after Kirk's mission ended. Meaning he couldn't have been more than a Lower Rear Admiral (the modern day term for Commodore), making it strange he was supposed to be the Head of Starfleet Operations.

WOK was like 10 years after TMP.

 

[mitchconner]

- All the aliens look human
- Entire alien species seem to have only one personality type
- All businessmen/traders are greedy and up to no good
- Starfleet can fix everything
- Something bad happens 26 times a year

 

[T'Girl]

However large a quadrant is, the Enterprise is the only ship in it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Well to be fair, back in TOS they really had no idea what a quadrant even was. A quadrant of what? I don't remember when they decided on the Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta system in use today...

TMP was supposed to be around 5 years (at most) after Kirk's mission ended. Meaning he couldn't have been more than a Lower Rear Admiral (the modern day term for Commodore), making it strange he was supposed to be the Head of Starfleet Operations.

Hey, if nuKirk can jump straight from Lieutenant to Captain and bypass two whole ranks, then Prime Kirk making a high Admiral rank only a few years after TOS would be chump change.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

- Entire alien species seem to have only one personality type

I agree this tends to be a big problem. The Bajorans and Cardassians thankfully were not this way (even the Cardassians' first appearance showed 3 diverse personalities), but I guess they're the exceptions that prove the rule.

 

[Gary7]

However large a quadrant is, the Enterprise is the only ship in it.

True. Of course, the Enterprise is the focus. But it would've been interesting if the Enterprise crew took a back seat to other ships and crew once in a while. Focus longer on another crew and their dealings, with the Enterprise stepping in to help out at a later point in time. Or, the Enterprise and another couple of ships are in the same quadrant and they all go after the same interest. At the convergence point, someone needs to take charge. Picard would do it mostly, but at times he would be subordinate. This would've helped broaden the feel of the series.

Men and woman have different hormones. Because of that they are never going to be the same. But, people have to realize that "equal" and "the same" are two different things. You cannot make men and women "the same" when all men are not "the same" and all women are not "the same".The key is understanding and accepting differences while providing equal opportunities in any area.

I think when "the same" is used it is often meant as "equal", because obviously the physiology will always be different.


I also found it annoying how humanoid most of the aliens were, with just a few minor cosmetic differences from a human. But as "The Chase" outlined, many species share the same DNA because of a proto race that seeded them.

 

[Paradon]

Men and women have more in common physiologically than they are different. It's how they are brought up to think how they should behave that's different. Men are expected to behave certain ways and women another...

 

[Paradon]

And if men were to buy expensive clothes or something like that, they would only buy a couple or one and stick to it until it got worn out. It's kindda weird for men to like dressing up...most people would think you're gay. [chuckle]

Or Italian.

So, you're saying Italian men act like gay men?

 

[scotpens]

Season 3 Kirk was not near his ideal weight.

Actually it was toward the end of Season 2 that Kirk got noticeably fatter. Shatner got himself back in fighting trim for the third season.

IIRC, there was an entire thread on this topic a couple of months back.

In English, anyway, there's a difference between "America" (singular) and "the Americas" (plural).

In Spanish that distinction does not exist, and "América" can refer to everything in North and South America, which I have seen result in some serious ruffled feathers and anti-American rhetoric over what is simply a language difference--when all that's happening is that for us, pluralizing the word changes the meaning.

South America stole our name.

. . . I also found it annoying how humanoid most of the aliens were, with just a few minor cosmetic differences from a human. But as "The Chase" outlined, many species share the same DNA because of a proto race that seeded them.

Or because they had to be played by human actors. Hence, lots of funny foreheads and weird skin conditions.

 

[Pauln6]

So, you're saying Italian men act like gay men?

Meterosexual men act like gay men, often right down to the part where they have sex with men. Bi-curious is synonimous with too drunk to care these days.

In HG Wells 'The Time Machine', he believed that as time went on the ruling classes would become androgynous because the men would have no evolutionary need to be strong hunters, and rather stupid as they would breed their descendents to live with minions who would do everything for them. The working classes would then become violent, physically powerful underground dwellers, using their technical skills to rule while herding the simple-minded descendents of their former masters as a food source.

There is also the possibility that women realise the awful truth that men are more of a hindrance than a help and they only need to keep a few hundred around for breeding stock. And maybe a few gay guys to tell them how fabulous they look.