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Worst stereotype in Trek...

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Picard never reads the log entries of former Enterprise captains, otherwise he would know of the First Federation (TOS), and the Borg (ENT), and the Ferengi (ENT), and ...
 
Another stereotype is the sexy, but kick ass, martial arts using female. Seven, Kira, Dax....

Dr Crusher in Season 6 episode 22 Suspicions. Near the end she disarms the alien, breaks his wrist lock, backfist to the head and finishes him off with a 360 spinning back kick. Although why the alien who was a proven murderer didn't just shoot her as soon as he came out of hiding I'll never know. He did the old bond villian trick (outline his entire sinister plan to the good guy instead of just killing him).
 
Most captains are male! :lol:

A lot of guys likes working with tools and big machines because it makes them feel special. Like if you see a problem with a machine, you diagnose the problem and fix it. And men tend to buy things that they like and are useful...like a truck for example. Women typically spends tons and tons of money on stuff they don't really need...for example, jewelries.

I think culturally it's a male thing...but I guess the attitude have changed a little. Women start getting into these things somehow.
 
Picard never reads the log entries of former Enterprise captains, otherwise he would know of the First Federation (TOS), and the Borg (ENT), and the Ferengi (ENT), and ...
Archer's logs never mentioned the Borg or the Ferengi. :p
 
And the part was originally going to go to David Rappaport, but he attempted suicide during filming. Saul Rubinneck (pictured above) happened to be attempting to arrange a set visit at the time and was offered the part.
Oh man... I had no idea about that. Rappaport would've been terrific! He did a great job in Time Bandits, a character driven by greed. A shame he killed himself... I guess being a dwarf may have been too much for him.
 
Most captains are male! :lol:

A lot of guys likes working with tools and big machines because it makes them feel special. Like if you see a problem with a machine, you diagnose the problem and fix it. And men tend to buy things that they like and are useful...like a truck for example. Women typically spends tons and tons of money on stuff they don't really need...for example, jewelries.

I think culturally it's a male thing...but I guess the attitude have changed a little. Women start getting into these things somehow.

Wow, damn...there's a stereotype: Male stuff = important, Female stuff = trash.

So we women somehow became enlightened like men; is that it?

:cardie:
 
Most captains are male! :lol:

A lot of guys likes working with tools and big machines because it makes them feel special. Like if you see a problem with a machine, you diagnose the problem and fix it. And men tend to buy things that they like and are useful...like a truck for example. Women typically spends tons and tons of money on stuff they don't really need...for example, jewelries.

I think culturally it's a male thing...but I guess the attitude have changed a little. Women start getting into these things somehow.

Wow, damn...there's a stereotype: Male stuff = important, Female stuff = trash.

So we women somehow became enlightened like men; is that it?

:cardie:

Actually I think the stereotype is that you can get a bitchim edumacation in Calfornya.
 
I'm just saying men do things the way they do because that is culturally expected of them. They're expected to behave in certain ways...like how men are supposed to behave. I guess it goes back to when we were hunters and gatherers. Men are expected to provide for their tribes...go out hunting and making tools and weapons. Tools and big machines make them feel like back when they were hunters...like they matter in the society.

And if men were to buy expensive clothes or something like that, they would only buy a couple or one and stick to it until it got worn out. It's kindda weird for men to like dressing up...most people would think you're gay. [chuckle]

A lot of Feminists think that men are just animals, and I've seen a few of my friends got taken advantage off by women. They were put down emotionally by their girlfriends and all their girlfriends did was spend their money and complain.
 
It would be interesting to see the percentage of diamonds that go to men and how much that may have changed over the past 50 years.
 
And seeing men as animals is just as stupid as belittling women's interests. Personally, I don't care for seeing sexism in either direction because I think it all comes from the same place and helps no one.

I especially can't stand women that treat men as though they don't have hearts that can be broken in a relationship...when they do that, it's exactly what they claim they despise about men (only wanting sex but not caring about emotions). Hypocrisy in the extreme.
 
I'm not belittling women. Let's face it. That's how most women think. When they think of men they see a grunting ape and wonder why men find sport, tools and big machines so fascinating. Have you seen "Judge Judy"? Even educated and women in the position of power and authority think this way. I'm just speaking the truth.

And you know what we say? They're always right... Nag! Nag! Nag!
 
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I think it's ok to admit that men or women simply like certain things. Women 'tend' to like makeup. Men 'tend' to like sports.

At one point around TNG, it tried to present the message that in the 24th century, there were little differences between men and women (The men with the skirts thing).

It seemed like because of that, the task was how to have a woman be a hardened butt kicker while at the same time wanting to be held and romanced.

Counselor Troi, pulled it off perfectly. She came off as very, very feminine, but could use her Starfleet fighting skills if necessary.

Tasha Yar --good. Because she actually brings the subject up- "I'm a woman in security, I have to be tough, yet I DO worry about it affecting my femininity".

It starts getting a little weird. The birth of the fighting Femme Fatale.

Dax is fighting off Klingons and Jem Hadar with Bat'leths. (She did a lot of crazy stuff)

Kira -picks up Quark and tosses him like a rag doll.

Seven of Nine- Kicking but in an extreme fighting arena in a skin tight space suit. I think it makes perfect sense for a woman to be able to defend herself and the more fireworks, the better..

The stereotype is when it turns into eye candy --sexy ass kicking eye candy :lol:

The stereotypes asks, 'If these women can beat men easily, what will the men think of her as a mate?'
 
I'm not belittling women. Let's face it. That's how most women think. When they think of men they see a grunting ape and wonder why men find sport, tools and big machines so fascinating. Have you seen "Judge Judy"? Even educated and women in the position of power and authority think this way. I'm just speaking the truth.

And you know what we say? They're always right... Nag! Nag! Nag!

I'm sure most women see you as a grunting ape.
 
REally? I guess I'll keep that in mind!

And, I'm sure most women like you for spending so much time at your mother's house! [chuckle]
 
I think it's ok to admit that men or women simply like certain things. Women 'tend' to like makeup. Men 'tend' to like sports.

At one point around TNG, it tried to present the message that in the 24th century, there were little differences between men and women (The men with the skirts thing).

It seemed like because of that, the task was how to have a woman be a hardened butt kicker while at the same time wanting to be held and romanced.

Counselor Troi, pulled it off perfectly. She came off as very, very feminine, but could use her Starfleet fighting skills if necessary.

Tasha Yar --good. Because she actually brings the subject up- "I'm a woman in security, I have to be tough, yet I DO worry about it affecting my femininity".

It starts getting a little weird. The birth of the fighting Femme Fatale.

Dax is fighting off Klingons and Jem Hadar with Bat'leths. (She did a lot of crazy stuff)

Kira -picks up Quark and tosses him like a rag doll.

Seven of Nine- Kicking but in an extreme fighting arena in a skin tight space suit. I think it makes perfect sense for a woman to be able to defend herself and the more fireworks, the better..

The stereotype is when it turns into eye candy --sexy ass kicking eye candy :lol:

The stereotypes asks, 'If these women can beat men easily, what will the men think of her as a mate?'

There are evolutionary differences between the sexes that arose from men most often being hunters and women most often being gatherers (because of childcare responsibilities). This possibly accounts for women's tendency to enjoy (window) shopping (gathering) more than men (who tend to prefer surgical strikes - get in buy your sh*t and get out) but they are tendencies that are increasingly being bred out of our species. My young cousins love shopping and materialism to a tiresome degree so don't make assumptions about the relationship between men and women in a post-materialism society.

Additionally, don't judge alien men and women by the same standards as human women. Kira was a freedom fighter not a catwalk model and bajoran women may be disproportionately stronger than human women. We have no way of knowing what evolutionary processes applied to bajorans or trill and we cannot say what effect being exposed to the borg collective or trill symbiont would have, whether male or female.

Tasha Yar: AWFUL. Supporting characters tended to have a gimmick around which stories could have been written. Tasha's gimmick was that she was a woman? :wtf: Her gimmick should have been about how her abusive background had scarred her (more akin to Starbuck in NuBSG) but instead she worries whether men will still find her attractive as a security officer? AAAAAAWFUL.

In fact, elements that should have been part of her character were later transposed to Ro (who wasn't angst-ridden about her femininity) and she was one of the more popular supporting characters. If they had merged the two concepts from the start, and made Tasha's unease with her femininity because she was afraid of intimacy (after the rape gangs etc) then Tasha would have been a very engaging character - possibly with a Geordi/Tasha dynamic akin to the Tucker/T'Pol dynamic in Enterprise). I do realise that TNG season one was hardly going to address the issue of rape trauma but they could have done so much more with her.

Counselor Troi - Marina Sirtis, a 20th century actress was well up for more fight scenes and action (I think she generally only got to fight when possessed) so I think that holding Troi out as a good example of a 24th century 'military' officer is probably not that accurate. However, Troi was a scientist and not a security officer so I do think that balancing her combat skills against the superior skills of someone in security was probably a good idea. That shouldn't really have anything to do with her sex though.
 
Well, in any case I don't think there is anything wrong with the way men feel... I mean I don't have to like what women like to love one. There are things she doesn't understand about me and there are things I don't understand about her, but I know love her. that's what matter. And I try to find something that we both enjoy doing together. One thing that she and I know for sure is that we both love each other.

But a lot of time I feel men get blamed for a lot thing. I'm sure a lot men feel that way.
 
Yeah - women are craaaazy. It's silly to deny that there are differences. I would go so far as to say that if as many men were in charge of the Federation and Starfleet as we see in Trek, it would not be the peace-loving organisation we see. If more women were in charge of more things today, we probably would not have seen the recent stock market collapses and we'd see a lot less wars. Men are from Mars, women are from the Federation.
 
You know what they say... AFter the end of the day women have the last say. For Every powerful men there are equally powerful women. Women are our grandmothers, mothers, aunts, sisters and cousins. They are the ones that make men into who they are and a lot of time act as advisers and counselors when they needed counselings and advice. In history we know that women play a huge role in our society...since the ancient time...but they were never mentioned, but we know they play a part in how things turn out. For example, Alexander the Great's mother conspired with her son in a series of brutal assassinations to raise her son to the throne. She help him murder his own father.
 
Men and woman have different hormones. Because of that they are never going to be the same. But, people have to realize that "equal" and "the same" are two different things. You cannot make men and women "the same" when all men are not "the same" and all women are not "the same".The key is understanding and accepting differences while providing equal opportunities in any area.
 
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