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Martin Luther King Memorial: Tribute or Travesty?

Meh. Neither tribute nor travesty, in my opinion. Just kind of mediocre.
Ditto. If you want travesty Google "Eisenhower Memorial".

"This" to both statements. Mediocre indeed and really not a fitting tribute to a man who did so much.

As for the whole "Martin Luther King as a conservative" arguement, here's a link to an opinion piece from the (yes, staunchly conservative) Heritage Foundation on that matter. I thought it made some interesting, if arguable points.

Heritage site
 
I like the unfinished look, probably could have a more welcoming pose (or they could have based it on photos from him at the I Have a Dream Speech), overall just OK nothing great. Nothing to be upset about. Monuments aren't perfect.
 
I kind of like it. It shows him as unwavering---a rock that can't be moved. He was dedicated to the cause of equal rights, to human rights, which should be the core of any nation's philosophy--so he's shown as part of the rock, like he's part of the Earth itself, or the country itself.

But, yeah, I can see what people are saying about the body language. Something a bit more serene might have been better, but then people would have probably complained about it being boring.
I was thinking along the lines of him gesturing, showing him as the great orator that he was; but I like Sean's arm-in-arm idea as well.
 
I think it looks good, but why did they use white stone?

Because the stones chosen for monuments have nothing to do with skin color and it would be incredibly tasteless and against what MLK stood for to give him dark-colored stone just because he's black? It's making the entire focus "on the color of his skin instead of the content of his character."

As for the whole "Martin Luther King as a conservative" arguement, here's a link to an opinion piece from the (yes, staunchly conservative) Heritage Foundation on that matter. I thought it made some interesting, if arguable points.

Heritage site

"Interesting" is certainly one way to describe it. Ignorant and offensive tripe is a more apt description, however.

It proceeds from the oft-quoted but false premise that faith is the exclusive province of conservatives, and that morality can in turn only come from faith. I'm sure this comes as a surprise to the millions of deeply religious black Democrats in America who the author rather ironically (given the subject matter) just alienated. Most liberals in America --regardless of color-- are religious, contrary to the usual conservative talking points. Additionally, the ridiculous fearmongering idea that people lacking in religious affiliation or belief in a deity are incapable of having a strong moral code is so laughably out of touch with reality it's not worth dignifying any further.

Also, I'm pretty sure MLK's message was not to that cultural diversity divides us and should be eliminated, but rather than one should have equal rights and not be judged based on that diversity but instead the content of their character, which is an entirely different thing from saying diversity is a problem that's holding us back as the article suggests. So, not only does the author insult the very people MLK was fighting for equal rights for, she misunderstands his message completely while appropriating it for her own petty political aims.

As far as the monument itself goes, I don't find it to be a travesty, just kind of bland as others have said and with a bit of an odd, passive and restrictive pose. I would have gone with something a little more dynamic like him waving or pointing out at the crowd while shouting a speech, such as in this picture from his speech in Atlanta:

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I also might have incorporated this quote of his...

"Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see."

...by perhaps having the statue cast a shadow over the main entrances to the memorial, thus making everyone who enters first stand in his shadow (depending on the time of day obviously), both to symbolize that there is still work to be done by you the visitor, and to express that for every action he took there were countless other acts of bravery and civil disobedience unrecorded by history that contributed to achieving civil rights victories.

Other than that though, the location is perfect: triangulated between the Lincoln, Jefferson, and Washington Memorials/Monuments, thus replicating the location of his I Have a Dream speech as closely as possible, while also referencing Lincoln (cited directly in the speech), Jefferson (the Declaration of Independence was cited), and Washington (who presided over the writing of the Constitution, which is also cited in the speech).

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Here are some more images for anyone who's interested:



 
I find it extremely fitting that he is not carved separately or in his entirety.

This is partially a memorial to him, yes, but even more so it's a monument to the civil rights movement itself. King was its face, but the only reason he meant anything was because of the thousands, and then millions, of people who stood behind him.

The big hunk of stone represents those people. It shows that he was not just a single man, but the mouthpiece for an idea.

The message is clear: King was important, but only because of the people he was standing up for. Without that big hunk of stone he would have no reason to stand there.

I really like it.
 
I think a full sculpture would've been "better."

This one looks like the artist carved half of it, said "fuck it" and called it a day.

It's nice looking and all, and I don't see the problem with it being made of a white(ish) stone considering all monuments are made of a white-colored stone and had it not been done that way there'd be complaints going the other way too. That he was made out of a different-colored stone simply to make him stand out as "different" than the other monument figures.

But I think a full-sculpture would have been better and possibly even if it was in a structure of some sort.
 
I think a full sculpture would've been "better."

This one looks like the artist carved half of it, said "fuck it" and called it a day.

I like that aspect of it, myself. It symbolizes that his work is not done and that he didn't do it alone, but as part of a larger movement. I just think a less passive pose would have been more interesting and appropriate.
 
I find it extremely fitting that he is not carved separately or in his entirety.

This is partially a memorial to him, yes, but even more so it's a monument to the civil rights movement itself. King was its face, but the only reason he meant anything was because of the thousands, and then millions, of people who stood behind him.

The big hunk of stone represents those people. It shows that he was not just a single man, but the mouthpiece for an idea.

The message is clear: King was important, but only because of the people he was standing up for. Without that big hunk of stone he would have no reason to stand there.

I really like it.

Hmm. Reading this actually raised my opinion of this monument a bit.

I think the main reason why I'm not more enthusiastic is because the statue is posed in a way that strikes me as cold, and stern, and static, and forbidding. These are not qualities I associate with Dr. King.

And I finally figured out what the monument reminded me of: the statues of Pharaoh Ramesses II at Abu Simbel.

For me, this discussion underlines just how personal reactions to works of art really are. When I first saw the memorial to Field Marshal Haig on Whitehall, in London, it struck me as fascistic--it reminded me of the brutish statuary I associated with the Third Reich. But I later learned that the sculptor had taken his inspiration from Renaissance equestrian statues of military leaders like Bartolomeo Colleoni.
 
I don't think "inspired by Renaissance art" and "looks Fascistic" are mutually exclusive, fwiw. It just means they borrowed from the more Marshall aspects of the Renaissance.
 
I dunno, I just like the look of it.

It was carved in China and assembled here by Chinese workers. Does anyone know who designed it?
 
I think a full sculpture would've been "better."

This one looks like the artist carved half of it, said "fuck it" and called it a day.

I like that aspect of it, myself. It symbolizes that his work is not done and that he didn't do it alone, but as part of a larger movement. I just think a less passive pose would have been more interesting and appropriate.
I think the contemplative pose fits well with the idea you describe, though - not dissimilar to the pose seen in this photo of King from 1966. The sculpture seems to me to present him surveying what has been accomplished thus far, but at the same time seeing what remains unfinished. As you say, it's a monument to him, but also a monument to a movement he was instrumental in forming then and one which still has a purpose today.
 
I think a full sculpture would've been "better."

This one looks like the artist carved half of it, said "fuck it" and called it a day.

I like that aspect of it, myself. It symbolizes that his work is not done and that he didn't do it alone, but as part of a larger movement. I just think a less passive pose would have been more interesting and appropriate.
I think the contemplative pose fits well with the idea you describe, though - not dissimilar to the pose seen in this photo of King from 1966. The sculpture seems to me to present him surveying what has been accomplished thus far, but at the same time seeing what remains unfinished. As you say, it's a monument to him, but also a monument to a movement he was instrumental in forming then and one which still has a purpose today.

True. Good point.

I think it's pretty clear that whatever one feels about the final design, it has succeeded in provoking some interesting interpretations and emotions from people, which is what great art should do.
 
I think a full sculpture would've been "better."

This one looks like the artist carved half of it, said "fuck it" and called it a day.

I like that aspect of it, myself. It symbolizes that his work is not done and that he didn't do it alone, but as part of a larger movement. I just think a less passive pose would have been more interesting and appropriate.
I think the contemplative pose fits well with the idea you describe, though - not dissimilar to the pose seen in this photo of King from 1966. The sculpture seems to me to present him surveying what has been accomplished thus far, but at the same time seeing what remains unfinished. As you say, it's a monument to him, but also a monument to a movement he was instrumental in forming then and one which still has a purpose today.

I think he looks more contemplative there, but that's possibly because real people can look more emotive than stone.

I've definitely warmed up more and more to it. When I get some free time, I'll go ahead and visit it.
 
When you think of Martin Luther King, you think of passion. That's one critical thing missing from this statue. I like the whole "rock behind him represents the people of the movement" idea, I just think it would have been better if he was in a more hand gesture pose, y'know. Maybe pointing with his hand forward, as if he's the leader of the movement, this way it seems to me he's more like defending the people from whatever is forward, instead of leading them to defeat it. It's unorthodox for American sculptures, but I like it all in all, more variety.
 
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Hmm. Reading this actually raised my opinion of this monument a bit.

I think the main reason why I'm not more enthusiastic is because the statue is posed in a way that strikes me as cold, and stern, and static, and forbidding. These are not qualities I associate with Dr. King.

And I finally figured out what the monument reminded me of: the statues of Pharaoh Ramesses II at Abu Simbel.

That's actually what I was about to post here--the connection to Egyptian art.

Which again seems like a fail on the part of the artist. Dr. King was very, very well-versed in Biblical imagery, very sensitive to it, and all of his speeches show just how deeply imbued it was in his style of communication.

Given that, shouldn't he evoke Moses ("Let my people go!") far more than Pharaoh???
 
I do kind of like the way he seems to be looking disapprovingly down at the Jefferson Memorial, given Jefferson's notorious willingness to compromise his Enlightenment principles when it came to black slavery.
 
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And I finally figured out what the monument reminded me of: the statues of Pharaoh Ramesses

The Pharaohnic imagery is what jumped out at me.

That, and he's a cross between The Kingpin and the liquid metal Terminator...

Which is also cool.
 
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