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Original, or Remastered?

Remastered means that the original negatives have been scanned again at higher resolution, it has nothing to do with the new special effects.

So, I think I'd prefer remastered without new FX. If I had to choose between original and new FX, I'd always take the original, even if it wasn't HD.
 
I own only the remastered original TOS, not the remastered SFX version. I have seen the enhanced SFX episodes and some of them look terrible to me, too "CGI". It got better as the seasons went on, though. I do appreciate the correcting of mistakes in the original SFX. But there is a certain feeling you get when watching the SFX as they were... like it's natural. I guess you'd have to have grown up with it to feel this way.

I enjoy new technology, but I don't clamor to be an early adopter. I haven't gotten a blu-ray player yet... but once I do, I will definitely pick up the blu-ray version of TOS.
 
I have the BD set and have watched all the episodes with the new FX.
Now I just usually watch the old--mainly because I don't like the choices in editing and framing on a lot of the shots. They don't always help the story-telling and sometimes breaks it entirely.
 
Both, for different reasons.

Original for the memories. Remastered for the cool visuals.

I think Remastered did a very good job of making effects in the spirit of the original but with modern production values. I can, for example, totally buy that the Galactic Barrier the Enterprise encounters in Remastered is the same Barrier as in Original -- just from a different camera angle and with better cameras.

But I've still got a million memories of Original, so I'll probably never stop watching it. :)

Dakota Smith
 
The biggest improvement in the Remastered version are the mattes - some of them are subtle improvements and some are spectacular. "The Doomsday Machine" is probably the most disappointing re-do in general.
 
Which ever is on TV. When I'm watching BD it is the remastered with the new efx. It's not either/or for me.
 
I only watch the remastered now, 30 years of the same stock fly bys have taken it's toll. The remastered episodes are a nice change of scenery...but the main selling points are the beautifully restored prints and the new 5.1 surround sound mix.
 
I admit I end up watching the new FX given the choice.

But only because the way they looked before, is burned into my memory.

So it's an interesting alternative. Sometimes surprisingly photo realistic. Other times not so much.
 
Remastered w/ New FX - I have no problem with the originals, but I love the new special effects and interesting touches. I'm eagerly anticipating the much-rumored TNG-Remastered project as well.
 
I've yet to see any of the remastered episodes. I've seen a few still shots around the net, the before and after comparisons when they first started remastering them, but my DVD collection contains the originals and I see no need to ad the remastered ones.

Now, if they ever do (or have they already and I simply haven't heard?) a release with the option of watching original or remastered, the way they did with some classic Doctor Who serials, then I'd probably buy those.
 
I'm really shocked at how many people like the new FX. I'm not against remastering. I like the live action changes made. Matte painting, the horta effects - though I hate the astrogator chronometer. Good stuff.

But the space shots are all horrendous. I mean all of them. The models are cheap looking. The lighting is bad. Everything is underexposed. There seemed to be a lot of fear of blowing out the "flim". The animation is also really amateurish. It's too bad because I like their new ship designs. The TAS style cargo ships, etc. But the execution is just garbage.
 
I'm really shocked at how many people like the new FX. The models are cheap looking. The lighting is bad. Everything is underexposed. There seemed to be a lot of fear of blowing out the "flim". The animation is also really amateurish. It's too bad because I like their new ship designs. The TAS style cargo ships, etc. But the execution is just garbage.

I can understand not liking the Remastered effects for purist reasons, but my technical opinion of them is diametrically opposed to yours.

I've seen extremely high-def renders of the Big E used in Remastered. The CGI model is quite amazing. It even includes the tiny lever-like doohickey on the bottom of the bottom of the primary hull sensor cap. That's a detail that most CGI modelers miss.

Admittedly, you never see that in any of the Remastered episodes, but I thought it was noteworthy that they'd researched the 11-foot model well enough to know it was there.

Some of what you're reacting to may have to do with the limitations of matching new CGI footage to the old footage. The problem is that in vintage 1960s visual effects, they first had to film the models under an extraordinary amount of light. This was necessary to give a sense of scale: if the light faded out too quickly across the model, it looked like a model.

Then they'd take this footage and optically marry it to starfields, planets, etc. There was an enormous amount of contrast added and some lighting lost as a byproduct of the optical processes used.

Furthermore, they were dealing with original footage that was never intended to be viewed in HD. It were intended to be viewed on crappy analog broadcast television in a time period where most people were too distant from the transmitters to get a truly clear image. This is painfully obvious when viewing fight scenes -- it's clear when a stunt double is in use. Similarly, it becomes painful on non-location planet sets: the cyclorama on the far wall is clearly only about ten feet away from the actors and the grass is obviously fake. In an analog broadcast, no one ever noticed.

And that's not just TOS, but any show of the period. Watch Bonanza and notice how obvious the exteriors that were shot on a soundstage appear in HD.

So the problem the Remastered folks had was that they absolutely couldn't do CGI effects like the kind in modern movies, because it wouldn't match the rest of the footage. Modern CGI can selectively light where the artist needs it to, after all. If they'd done a scene like, say the opening battle of Revenge Of the Sith, I think the effect would have been jarring. As it was, I think they did a decent job of matching the older footage and effects.

I'm reasonably happy with the new effects. I might have taken a few more risks on selected episodes like "Balance Of Terror," "The Ultimate Computer," and "The Doomsday Machine." I liked what they did on "Elaan Of Troyius." I actually like the new ships in "Mudd's Women" and "Way To Eden" because they look like the early Jeffries designs for other unused ships.

I really like the small touches, such as the light reflecting on the ship's hull when they fire weapons. I'm very happy with things like blowing up the Klingon ship in "Day Of the Dove." The original is barely passable, but Remastered looks like what I imagine a 1960s spaceship explosion would have looked like if the show had an unlimited budget. It doesn't look like modern spaceship explosions, and that's good. I also like that they mimicked the "cloud" effect in "Obsession" in such a way that it matches the smoke we see in Garrovick's cabin, yet still has a sense of scale when we see it in space.

I might have tried to insert CGI backdrops where it's clear they're on a soundstage. However, I'm enough of a purist to be happy that they restrained themselves, otherwise it would have been a meaningless CGI mess like the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy.

No doubt the next iteration of Remastered (20 years or so from now) will re-do the entire episode, keeping only the original dialogue track. Characters, sets, etc. will be entirely CGI. At that point, they'll have the option of completely re-envisioning everything and ejecting any kind of original lighting as unnecessary in a purely CGI environment.

It's my hope that when they do this, they'll at least mirror the original camera angles and shots. However, since this will be done by my grandchildren's generation and us old-school Trek fans won't be the franchise's least important audience, I suspect it will be extremely different.

Dakota Smith
 
Original: they were down to about $60 a season when I bought them about 4-5 years ago, not going to pop again unless the DVDs become damaged.
 
It doesn't really matter what the model looks like if they light it badly and animate it like it's hanging on a string. Which is exactly what they did. If someone skilled in rigging models and camera work had done the series I would have been all for it. I'm not a purist at all.
 
It doesn't really matter what the model looks like if they light it badly and animate it like it's hanging on a string. Which is exactly what they did. If someone skilled in rigging models and camera work had done the series I would have been all for it. I'm not a purist at all.

I'm not sure I understand. Remastered uses CGI, not physical models. Are you saying that the way that the CGI was rendered reminds you of models on strings? If so, I disagree, but then it's an entirely personal interpretation. :)

Dakota Smith
 
I watch remastered from the superb Blu-ray sets; but would have no problem with the originals if there were no option. CG FX aside though, for me, the real revelation of the TOS-R project is the significant improvement in PQ and the excellent DTS Master Audio 7.1 sound mixes which expand the soundscape in an intelligent and subtle manner befitting the source material.
 
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