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Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS

Grade 'The Categories Of Life'

  • Excellent - The Family Rules!

    Votes: 16 39.0%
  • Above Average - Maybe There is Hope After All.

    Votes: 13 31.7%
  • Average - Rex Get a Band-Aid!

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Below Average - Oswald Save Me!

    Votes: 7 17.1%
  • Bad - Dead is Dead!

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Total voters
    41
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

Why in the camps did they have three kinds of pegs? I presume the white pegs were for CAT3 but no-one was wearing them.

Good point. Category 3 is supposed to be a normal, healthy person. Since they wouldn't be sent to the camp, it would explain why no one is wearing a white peg. But you're right, it makes no sense for there to even be white pegs.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

Why in the camps did they have three kinds of pegs? I presume the white pegs were for CAT3 but no-one was wearing them.

Good point. Category 3 is supposed to be a normal, healthy person. Since they wouldn't be sent to the camp, it would explain why no one is wearing a white peg. But you're right, it makes no sense for there to even be white pegs.
Eh...preparation in case a Cat 2 improves to Cat 3, and tag them while they're waiting to be released? Or something more sinister going on, that Cat 3s are also being rounded up and kept secret?
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

Eh...preparation in case a Cat 2 improves to Cat 3, and tag them while they're waiting to be released? Or something more sinister going on, that Cat 3s are also being rounded up and kept secret?

Or bureaucracy gone amok which is probably the real reason.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

preparation in case a Cat 2 improves to Cat 3, and tag them while they're waiting to be released?

That would be logical, except I was not under the impression anyone was being released from these camps. Indeed, it seemed like they were just waiting for the 2s to become 1s and then it was off to the Module.

Or something more sinister going on, that Cat 3s are also being rounded up and kept secret?

Definately a possibility.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

The soldier who talked to Gwen implied that you could be upgraded to 3 when he said that her father was probably Cat 2 and would thus eventually be released.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

They haven't really done much of that, most of society looks the same as before the miracle.

Which is what would likely happen in real life. Life would go on, and people would do whatever they did before Miracle Day, just like people didn't suddenly become a new species after 9/11. (That said, continue to my comment below.)

We have seen to opposing groups Dead is Deaders - introduced and then done away with pretty quickly and the Cult of the Soulless which we know nothing about.
We're only halfway through the story. You act as if you've seen the whole thing already. I saw that Dead is Dead shirt on the guy in the audience during Oswald's speech. And going back to the "society staying the same" argument, the rise of Dead is Dead and Cult of the Soulless, plus the establishment of Oswald Danes as, for want of a better term, a messiah figure - not to mention a new way of categorizing LIFE itself. I think that's some pretty substantial and obvious societal changes.

Everyone in CAT 3 seems to be carrying on as normal. Society is not breaking down or if it is its happening off camera.
You mean other than the decision to sequester millions of people in internment camps? Also, follow the chronology of the story - it's only been about a week so far. Society does not break down that quickly if it has food and water and it's not under attack.

There seems to be no government responses to any of whats happening.
Other than the camps, you mean. And assigning people to figure out how to cope with the healthcare implications. Oh, and coming up with new categories of life, once again. How exactly does a government respond to something like this - invade someone? Especially when the general opinion is actually - in this early stage - that it's a good thing?

Children of Earth did an excellent job of showing the effects of the 456 on society. Probably because it was not faceless, nameless entities that were in charge and we new who the villain was before we were half way through.
And Children of Earth probably would have been better as a 2-hour movie by that rationale. Why do we need to know who the villain is and spoil the fun so early on? I've read 1000-page novels where the questions are left unanswered until the last chapter.

Alex
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

OK so 5 episodes in and enough has happened to maybe fill 2 episodes.

That presumes the only point of the show is the mystery and fighting the bad guy causing this. If the show is also about the effect on society, it's impossible to fit all that into 2 episodes.

Which, except for hysterical meetings in conference rooms, isn't much. Look at those scenes on Venice Beach. It's like every other fucking day on Venice Beach.

Society broke down much faster it seems when Children (of Earth) are involved.

And why was the Dead is Dead guy at the Danes thing? Isn't Danes all "life is life" and shit?
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

The soldier who talked to Gwen implied that you could be upgraded to 3 when he said that her father was probably Cat 2 and would thus eventually be released.

I just assumed that was the official company line to feed to the public and that in reality, once someone is inside the camp, they're stuck there.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

for all the talk of infection inside the over flow camps, I hope the show has a plot where people on the outside start to show symptons of some form of ne super infection, really scare the general population.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

^ I believe so yes. He was the key note speaker of the event I believe.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

Doesn't Jilly mention this during her little pep talk beforehand where she keeps telling him to mention the word 'revelation' ?
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

I assume it just she wanted him to use religions phrases (Angels) as that is generally the best way to sell something to the US.

more to the point isnt the book of revelation, the end of days? that is hardly the something you want attached to your company logo.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

Ok this is an improvement as were seeing more of the effects "miracle" rather than just watching the team google. This first 5 episodes could have been condensed. I think I'll have to see how it ends just hope it gets better.
I just think the whole series is poorly executed. Firstly the director and set designer. I never felt the horror the hospital should have had. It still felt really clean and clinical despite a couple of references. No screaming, no staff on the edge of breaking down. No reaction to the smell except when they enter the laundry pace? The show also doesn't eem to hit the right emotional marks not quite sure why.
The dr threatening the guy whod already shot her?
Gwen is the only one whose reactions feel right to me.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

And why was the Dead is Dead guy at the Danes thing? Isn't Danes all "life is life" and shit?

Danes was one of many speakers, no?

The really weird part is that the guy wearing the Dead is Dead shirt was actually cheering for Danes, which you wouldn't expect someone with that opinion to do.

My guess is, production wanted to show off their "Dead is Dead" t-shirt and didn't care if it was logical.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

And why was the Dead is Dead guy at the Danes thing? Isn't Danes all "life is life" and shit?

Danes was one of many speakers, no?

The really weird part is that the guy wearing the Dead is Dead shirt was actually cheering for Danes, which you wouldn't expect someone with that opinion to do.

My guess is, production wanted to show off their "Dead is Dead" t-shirt and didn't care if it was logical.

If I remember my Laws Of Hollywood right, directors aren't allowed to give direction to extras individually. He might have forgotten to mention that everyone wearing a DID shirt should boo Danes, or the extra might not have heard or got swept up in the moment, or something like that.
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

I believe that "revelation" was meant to be some kind of trigger word...to trigger what though?
 
Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

^ The PhiCorp logo on the screen behind Danes. Now everyone who was there - and, of course, many more people over time - will come to associate the new world with the corporation.
 
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