Yeah, really. I'm still hoping for "STXIII: WAR OF THE MUTANTS".
How Are There Only 10,000 Vulcans Left?
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Yeah, really. I'm still hoping for "STXIII: WAR OF THE MUTANTS".
The writers had the capability to change that before and after, but they didn't because this was their intention.
I'm pretty sure there's a novel with a timeline like that, except those Vulcans never had Surak...
I'm pretty sure I've read a story or two on the subject. Damn you, Surak, damn you to hell.
Considering the guy who destroyed their planet technically came from one of those are you sure that's a good thing
It has nothing to do with it. Almost all the animals have very acute sense of smell, or at least a way better than humans, and they still can live with other animals or with humans. And everyone has an ability to get used to a smell, if they are surrounded by that for some minutes..Humans are the degenerated species, when they are able to sense the actual smell, but they do not get any information from it- for example if the other person feels fear or anger, etc..
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I'm not positive, but despite the lack of smileys I suspect Temis was joking.
Actually, no.
Filming was going on during the writer's strike. Abrams directed the film, but as a WGA member, he followed their rules and refused to do any writing during the filming. That means he was stuck with the script as it was the moment the strike started.
There's a interesting set of quotes here
this quote was especially apropos
“To a screenwriter, that might seem kind of awesome. For once, the director can’t change things. But when its your own movie, it’s maddening. J.J. was describing a scene he was shooting the day before. Midway through it, he got a great idea for a new line. Which he couldn’t write. Couldn’t shoot. Couldn’t be in his movie."
I like to imagine that many of the cringeworthy plot holes were left unplugged for this very reason.
Oh, the "many cringeworthy plot holes" again.
But you should re-read what I said, I said "before or after" the strike. So actually yes, the writers could have changed something before the strike, and yes, the writers could have changed anything after the strike. The writers strike did not last all through filming.
Well, there are probably a couple of billions "ethnic" Vulcans on Romulus. It's just Vulcan culture that is endangered.
In a way, it's like destroying the UK and/or Europe. The United States would still be there.
In a way, it's like destroying the UK and/or Europe. The United States would still be there.
While the strike didn't last infinitely long, neither does the shooting schedule. At the conclusion of the strike, a portion of the film was already "in the can."
Abrams didn't have an unlimited ability to go back and re-shoot scenes that were completed days or weeks before. Thus the lack of opportunity to fix the "many cringe worthy plot holes."
That's giving Abrams the benefit of the doubt as to why he didn't fix them.
And a portion wasn't.
I was originally speaking specifically about the claim the writers strike had something to do with the "10,000 Vulcans left" line. Since this line was a mere voice over this wouldn't have been anything to fix if the writers really wanted to change before or after the strike. In fact small changes were made with the strike looming and Orci even spoke of them being confident with what they had going into the strike. The "10,000 Vulcans" line was the intention, plain and simple.
Plus since we know there aren't "many cringeworthy plot holes" either then it's even more moot.
Because the Movie said that so is how.
With as many times as, "What is said/shown on screen is Canon", has been said around here I'm surprised the question was even asked.
Vulcans remind me a bit of the isolationist Japanese during the Edo period... very intelligent and perfectionist but xenophobic and very proud as a race.
Pure vulcans, probably 10,000... Gaijin (outsiders or colonists) maybe more.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vulcans did not consider Vuclans born outside of their 'original' homeplanet as real Vulcans.
I again, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even HAVE a colony to speak of and only some outposts with a few individuals or famillies on diplomatic functions.
Pure vulcans, probably 10,000... Gaijin (outsiders or colonists) maybe more.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vulcans did not consider Vuclans born outside of their 'original' homeplanet as real Vulcans.
I again, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even HAVE a colony to speak of and only some outposts with a few individuals or famillies on diplomatic functions.
where are you getting the idea that Vulcans are isolationist from? Why would a civilization of isolationists become a major player in an organization like the United Federation of Planets? There have been various fringe Vulcan isolationist movements shown, but that's as far as it's gone.
For one thing, they're "mysterious" in TOS. How can one stay mysterious if one's also "open", at least to the degree of displaying basic politeness?
T'Pau turned down a seat in the UFP government. Sarek conspired against said government in protecting criminals in ST3/4. Didn't seem to decrease the Vulcan influence much.
Planet Ardana was also established to be a member, yet little or nothing was known about the society of Stratosians and Troglytes, and even Starfleet's leading gunboat diplomat Kirk was suggested to be politically powerless in influencing matters on that reclusive world. Apparently, the UFP does cater for hermits and perverts, as long as they pay their taxes / provide great new ideas / otherwise bow to the direction of Earth.
Timo Saloniemi
T'Pau turned down a seat in the UFP government. Sarek conspired against said government in protecting criminals in ST3/4. Didn't seem to decrease the Vulcan influence much.
Planet Ardana was also established to be a member, yet little or nothing was known about the society of Stratosians and Troglytes, and even Starfleet's leading gunboat diplomat Kirk was suggested to be politically powerless in influencing matters on that reclusive world. Apparently, the UFP does cater for hermits and perverts, as long as they pay their taxes / provide great new ideas / otherwise bow to the direction of Earth.
Timo Saloniemi
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