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Rise of the Planet of the Apes - Discussion/Review

Grading of "Rise of the Planet of the Apes"

  • A+

    Votes: 23 23.2%

  • A

    Votes: 29 29.3%

  • A-

    Votes: 24 24.2%

  • B+

    Votes: 10 10.1%

  • B

    Votes: 5 5.1%

  • B-

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • C+

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • C

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • D

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Total voters
    99
So.... spoiler this for me, because the following thought will prevent me from seeing this. How do they get around the fact that we outnumber great apes by like, ten thousand to one or more, and they are vulnerable to bullets? You know what would happen in real life if a thousand gorillas started tearing up Oakland? Gang-bangers and cops would use them for target practice.

I can buy engineered, intelligent apes, I can buy us killing ourselves off in a holocaust that allows the apes to become dominant I guess. But the director says the next movie will probably be about them waging a global war against us? What?
 
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This is something I'm extremely curious about as well. Hopefully will find out tonight after work, if all goes well.
 
So is there anything definitive on whether this is in continuity with the original series?
 
RJDiogenes said:
So is there anything definitive on whether this is in continuity with the original series?
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I doubt it takes place in a reality where people traveled in near-lightspeed spaceships by 1972... ;)
Also, I think they abandoned the "all cats and dogs die, so humans keep apes as pets" angle. And the whole time travel thing.
 
FordSVT said:
So.... spoiler this for me, because the following thought will prevent me from seeing this. How do they get around the fact that we outnumber great apes by like, ten thousand to one or more, and they are vulnerable to bullets? You know what would happen in real life if a thousand gorillas started tearing up Oakland? Gang-bangers and cops would use them for target practice.

I can buy engineered, intelligent apes, I can buy us killing ourselves off in a holocaust that allows the apes to become dominant I guess. But the director says the next movie will probably be about them waging a global war against us? What?
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The apes aren't trying to conquer San Francisco; they're trying to escape it. They escape to the Muir Woods. Humanity is almost wiped out by a virus while the apes are in hiding in the wilderness. If there is a next film the odds/numbers would be a lot more balanced when the apes do go to "war".
 
So far, the review in today's Plain Dealer is the only negative one I've read. I'm ready to go, hopefully tonight. I know in my gut I'm going to enjoy this.

:techman:
 
RJDiogenes said:
So is there anything definitive on whether this is in continuity with the original series?
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I read a review that stated that this movie fits nicely with the FIRST original 1968 Planet of the Apes movie. The review also said that the original franchise was inconsistent with issues about caesar anyway.

I think the original 1968 movie is a A Science Fiction Classic and I don't care for any of the sequels because it is such a great movie that it really didn't need sequels.

But I am looking forward to this movie and have heard nothing but good about it.
 
I saw the midnight showing (my first-ever midnight movie :) ) and I really liked it. I thought there was going to be more too it though, the ending made it look like more was going to happen, then the movie was, over.

One question though: So is the nuclear war theory not the real reason why the Planet of the Apes started? The original movies made it seem that way.
 
It was clear that nuclear war was what ended human civilization. Whether it contributed in any way to the changes in primates was never directly addressed.

Watching the first film with a somewhat naive understanding of mutation one might have guessed that radiation was supposed to have accelerated evolution.

Later installments suggested that, visual evidence to the contrary, we were supposed to accept the POTA simians as at least physically identical to the species we know now.
 
darkshadow0001 said:
One question though: So is the nuclear war theory not the real reason why the Planet of the Apes started? The original movies made it seem that way.
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The original movie was a contemporary look at how things were back than. People thought we'd blow ourselves up.
 
I give it a B-. I'm kind of disappointed with the film. I just could never completely connect with the CGI apes. Don't get me wrong, the CGI was fine. I guess I'm just an old school apes fan. I also kept thinking of Project X and how much more of an emotional connection I had with those real apes. Still, this was better than Tim Burton's film and I really liked John Lithgow's performance.
 
I liked it quite a lot. The CGI on the apes was phenomenal, and unless there's something really impressive coming out this fall that I haven't heard about they should be a lock for best special effects at the Oscars.

The whole profit motive thing with David Oyelowo's character was hamfisted and, as I think about it, not at all in sync with the events depicted. I assume the point is that Oyelowo's blind desire for money leads him (and humanity) to a bad end, but Oyelowo's actions have nothing to do with either the ape revolt or the creation of the super-virus. Oyelowo's decision to continue testing results solely in the creation of nine extra chimps who wouldn't have mattered if Caesar and co. hadn't escaped. Consider:

1) Who created Caesar? James Franco.
2) Whose secret stash of the virus was used by Caesar to boost up all his followers? James Franco's.
3) The super-virus infected Patient Zero in the test personally supervised by James Franco, not any of the subsequent trials ordered by Oyelowo. So even if Oyelowo had followed Franco's advice, the virus was still going to kill almost everyone.
4) Oyelowo is ultimately killed, not by one of the nine additional apes tested on after Franco left, but on the one ape whose experimentation had been authorized by and conducted under the auspieces of Franco.
5) The nine additional apes were only freed by Caesar's band, whose creation Oyelowo had nothing to do with.

In conclusion, it's James Franco's fault.

I'm glad to see Freida Pinto career going well in Hollywood, but her character was hardly in the movie. She looked awesome, at least. John Lithgow was excellent in his comparatively brief screentime.

You would think that Draco Malfoy would have learned not to be such a douchebag.
 
AvBaur said:
RJDiogenes said:
So is there anything definitive on whether this is in continuity with the original series?
Click to expand...
I doubt it takes place in a reality where people traveled in near-lightspeed spaceships by 1972... ;)
Also, I think they abandoned the "all cats and dogs die, so humans keep apes as pets" angle. And the whole time travel thing.
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I was wondering if they might keep it vague about the actual year and the state of space travel. I forgot about the cats and dogs thing.

Mutenroshi said:
The original movies never got their continuity right so it doesn't really matter.
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That's because Cornelius and Zira traveled back in time and changed everything after Red Matter destroyed the world. Er, I mean The Bomb. ;)

Space Therapist said:
RJDiogenes said:
So is there anything definitive on whether this is in continuity with the original series?
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I read a review that stated that this movie fits nicely with the FIRST original 1968 Planet of the Apes movie. The review also said that the original franchise was inconsistent with issues about caesar anyway.
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That's what I was thinking; that they might be depicting the original timeline before Cornelius and Zira changed things.
 
A-


-The minus is for James Franco, who has the emotional range of a Vulcan. Why do people keep singing his praises?

- Doctor McKay, family man. A little weird, but passable...

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Anybody else get a "geek-woody" When The Lawgiver spoke for the first time?

-There were a bunch of nods to the first film, starting with the primate hunt, which was just the scene from that movie in reverse.

- Andy Serkis humanized Ceasar, literally.
 
I saw it today and really liked it. John Lithgow should win that Academy Award.

Also, I left in the credits. What did I miss?
 
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