Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, DVD

[davejames]

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Not "take time off"
"Expand on the other Hydra missions" that are seen as montage during this movie. That would've covered several weeks if not months.

Oh ok. I was just thinking about other villains and non-Hydra storylines you could have back then, but I guess if you're going to do the WWII era, you might as well have him in the war fighting somebody.

And I guess other villains could always be working with Red Skull in some peripheral way.

 

[DarthPipes]

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If I remember correctly, Cap was supposed to possess the height of human strength and ability. It was noted that because of this strength, he was capable of lifting his shield. A normal person couldn't. Bucky could because his shield arm was robotic.

 

[CaptainCanada]

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That doesn't make him superpowered Usain Bolt can run the 100M dach in 9.58 seconds no normal human can do that either but it doesn't make him superhuman.

Bolt is at the peak of human potential; Steve exceeds what a normal human, even at peak, can do. He can run like Usain Bolt, but at far more sustained pace. His strength is greater than what a normal person can achieve, etc. The very ability to maintain these kinds of peaks constantly is superhuman.

If I remember correctly, Cap was supposed to possess the height of human strength and ability. It was noted that because of this strength, he was capable of lifting his shield. A normal person couldn't. Bucky could because his shield arm was robotic.

No, lifting the shield isn't an issue. Anyone can do that. The rare skill is being able to throw it like he does; Bucky's arm allowed him to do that, and Hawkeye, who has no special powers, could also do it because he's so skilled with projectiles.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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Cap and the Skull were supposed to have had the same powers, if I understood the dialogue correctly.

Well, the formula amplifies what they each already are, so what is amplified for each of them is different from the other.

Also, the formulas they took, and/or the procedure they underwent, were stated not to be completely identical, so there could be differences from that too.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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Just came back from seeing this despite the cold and thought it was awesome. It has surpassed "Iron Man" for me as my favorite Marvel Studio film. I'm not going to do a full or even brief review here but I did give this an A and almost was tempted to give it a full A+. It is my second favorite movie of the year after "X-Men:First Class". I thought Chris Evans was very impressive as Steve Rogers. Hugo Weaving was okay as Red Skull (he looked damn cool though). Hayley Atwell was stunning and charming as Peggy Carter. Sebastian Stan didn't have very much to do as Bucky in this movie but then again I wasn't expecting him in it a lot in the first place. I loved the period feel to the film, and Alan Silvestri's score was beautiful, among his best works in my opinion. I'll probably be seeing this one or two more times.

 

[JD]

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If I remember correctly, Cap was supposed to possess the height of human strength and ability. It was noted that because of this strength, he was capable of lifting his shield. A normal person couldn't. Bucky could because his shield arm was robotic.

So Bucky never took the serum then? I had assumed that since he took on the Captain America persona, he must have taken the serum too.

 

[the G-man]

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Re: Montage of WWII battle moments

In discussions about a sequel the question was posed if we would have a chance to see more WWII Steve given the movies ending. The answer was simply yes.

I think what could happen is that the montage moments where they are taking out Hydra facilities(Peggy is seen removing them from the map) is where not only could we see more WWII, but Peggy and the Commandoes. Can't recall if Bucky dies pre or post montage.

This would allow for us to have the stand alone Cap movies in WWII, if they saw fit, and present day Cap in The Avengers movies.

If that's true, it's kinda strange that Cap and the gang would take time out from, you know, stopping Red Skull from blowing up the U.S. and taking over the world to go off on a bunch of other missions.

Seems like that would kind of take precedence. lol

Not "take time off"
"Expand on the other Hydra missions" that are seen as montage during this movie. That would've covered several weeks if not months.

Yes. The implication was that it took Cap the better part of several months (if not longer) to actually find Red Skull before the final battle and, during that time, he and the Howlers (including Bucky) had successfully taken out a number of other Hydra bases as part of their effort at stopping him.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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I don't remember if his genetics were tampered with in the process of him becoming Winter Solider. It's been a while since I read that arc.

 

[DarthPipes]

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I don't think he was tampered with, other than giving him the robotic arm to replace the one he lost. But it's been a long time since I've read it too.

 

[CaptainCanada]

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So Bucky never took the serum then? I had assumed that since he took on the Captain America persona, he must have taken the serum too.

No, the serum remained lost. Bucky was a normal human (apart from the cyborg arm, of course).

 

[Admiral_Young]

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I found it fascinating that Cap found him strapped in a medical table groggy (possibly drugged). Perhaps this is one of the ways the writers will explain Winter Solider if they go that route in sequels.

 

[JD]

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Yeah, I was wondering if that was a set up for future movies.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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It was hinted as a possibility in press junkets. Sebastian Stan brought it up as well a couple of times. Everyone is well aware of what happens to Bucky.

 

[CaptainCanada]

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Brubaker and Epting get special thanks in the credits (along with the original creators and Millar and Hitch), and the people at the studio always mention his stories as one of the main models for making the movies, so yeah, I'm expecting Winter Soldier at some point. It's probably his most acclaimed story.

 

[TemporalFlux]

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I found it fascinating that Cap found him strapped in a medical table groggy (possibly drugged). Perhaps this is one of the ways the writers will explain Winter Solider if they go that route in sequels.

This is what I'm thinking. Whatever Zola was doing didn't seem to turn Bucky into a super soldier, but It could have had other effects that would make the Winter Soldier scenario possible. In fact, it could be That Zola laid the ground work for the mind control aspect.

 

[TemporalFlux]

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I don't think he's superpowered at all he's just meant to be the ultimate human even the Red Skull appeared to be stronger than Rogers though being able to dent Cap's original shield.

But during those musical numbers, didn't they have Cap holding up a motorcycle with three girls sitting on it? I remember noticing that they had Cap trembling a little to show he was pushing it and it wasn't easy.

Also, the movie was pretty clear that Skull had received an early version of the super soldier serum. it was that faulty serum that caused Skull's cosmetic changes; but we're left to assume it gave him the strength and endurance too.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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Speaking of Dr. Zola...I loved Toby Jones performance (even though his suit reminded me of his Dream Lord outfit in "Doctor Who". I loved the little homage to his comic counterpart when we're first introduced to his character. That made me laugh. I love when films make a point of doing that.

 

[JD]

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Yeah, I actually laughed out loud when I saw that.

 

[nightwind1]

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Just saw it. I'm probably one of the biggest Cap fans out there, and I was completely disappointed. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't good either. It is like the production team got together and asked themselves "How can we make the most forgettable movie ever?"

Are you sure you weren't watching a rerun of the Matt Salinger version?

This movie is superb. Squeaks past Iron Man as my favorite superhero movie ever.

 

[Valar]

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If that's true, it's kinda strange that Cap and the gang would take time out from, you know, stopping Red Skull from blowing up the U.S. and taking over the world to go off on a bunch of other missions.

Seems like that would kind of take precedence. lol

Not "take time off"
"Expand on the other Hydra missions" that are seen as montage during this movie. That would've covered several weeks if not months.

Yes. The implication was that it took Cap the better part of several months (if not longer) to actually find Red Skull before the final battle and, during that time, he and the Howlers (including Bucky) had successfully taken out a number of other Hydra bases as part of their effort at stopping him.

Actually Johnston, the director, stated that cap takes place over a three year period of WW2 , so it takes a few months to get steve rogers geared up into cap mode, and then the montage covers a few years of time, then the finale.