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iPad compulsory at school

Ninjacore said:
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ares93 said:
alright, my bloody point was that all the students who had a calculator failed the same question. meaning they had no clue how to do it by hand and they simply inputted it into the calculator hoping it would work.

when they later took the same class again without the use of calculators they actually learned how to do it. and almost everyone passed the test.

there was an investigation about this. i can upload the document itself. i still have admin access to the school servers. unless they are turned off during the summer.
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Again, since your point seems to be that using the calculator was what kept the students from getting the question correct...

why didn't the students without the calculators get it right?
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I answered that already...
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No, you didn't. You assumed that everyone had calculators and that 15 just had school-provided ones (assuming that the other 16 had their own). I'm asking ares93 if that's the case and, if so, why the students without calculators also failed the test.
Lindley said:
As Finn said, perhaps the fact that the kids effectively took the class twice was relevant.
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Actually, I said that. Finn quoted me and said "Yeah."
 
I was having a conversation with a friend about this and one thing I said is I can easily see the idea of text book being obsolete in the next few years in favor of the E-Readers like the Kindles and Ipads. It's just that Technology is going at such a rate that schools have to keep up with the times and the argument that students need to learn what the parents learned way back like 40-50 years ago doesn't really fly.

I do understand the points of NinjaCore though in that it should be a supplemental to handwriting and how to do math so hopefully this integration happens slowly. However, last week I was talking with a teacher and a question I had was other than a signature, what is the point of learning cursive. I do think Technology has made the idea of cursive obsolete and it will make other ideas obsolete too.
 
tomalak301 said:
I was having a conversation with a friend about this and one thing I said is I can easily see the idea of text book being obsolete in the next few years in favor of the E-Readers like the Kindles and Ipads. It's just that Technology is going at such a rate that schools have to keep up with the times and the argument that students need to learn what the parents learned way back like 40-50 years ago doesn't really fly.

I do understand the points of NinjaCore though in that it should be a supplemental to handwriting and how to do math so hopefully this integration happens slowly. However, last week I was talking with a teacher and a question I had was other than a signature, what is the point of learning cursive. I do think Technology has made the idea of cursive obsolete and it will make other ideas obsolete too.
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I agree, cursive is an obselete form of writing, I can't write cursive, only signatures.
 
I don't get the logic. "We have iPads now, why do we need to write cursive?"

Isn't that like asking: "We have TVs now, why do we need to read Literature?"

If the kids don't get to write cursive in the beginning, their handwriting is going to look horrible!
 
JarodRussell said:
I don't get the logic. "We have iPads now, why do we need to write cursive?"

Isn't that like asking: "We have TVs now, why do we need to read Literature?"
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Whats the point of cursive really, print is easier to read, it is easier to write, cursive is a holdover from the past, it is nice to look at and can be artsy but it is not an essential skill in my eyes.
 
Cursive should be faster to write than printing, if you do it correctly. That's the point of cursive: efficiency.

Typing, of course, is faster than both if you are proficient. You still need to know how to write longhand and at least be able to read cursive, since you never know when you might encounter it.
 
JarodRussell said:
If the kids don't get to write cursive in the beginning, their handwriting is going to look horrible!
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Well, they should certainly learn to write. The question is what degree of importance should be placed on cursive as opposed to simple script.

I suppose it's still somewhat important to know how to write your own signature in cursive, and how to read someone else's. But other than that is cursive really used anymore?
 
Robert Maxwell said:
Cursive should be faster to write than printing, if you do it correctly. That's the point of cursive: efficiency.

Typing, of course, is faster than both if you are proficient. You still need to know how to write longhand and at least be able to read cursive, since you never know when you might encounter it.
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Faster my ass...
 
Robert Maxwell said:
Ninjacore said:
Robert Maxwell said:
Cursive should be faster to write than printing, if you do it correctly. That's the point of cursive: efficiency.

Typing, of course, is faster than both if you are proficient. You still need to know how to write longhand and at least be able to read cursive, since you never know when you might encounter it.
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Faster my ass...
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Do you even know how to write cursive?
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no, just my name.
 
Ninjacore said:
Robert Maxwell said:
Ninjacore said:
Faster my ass...
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Do you even know how to write cursive?
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no, just my name.
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Then you have no idea if it's any faster.

If you are proficient at writing in cursive it is substantially faster than printing, mostly because you don't have to pick up your writing utensil from the page as often.

It also tends to be less legible so I consider cursive good only as an intermediate format, which you will later type up or something. But then I have totally shit penmanship. I've known people with beautiful cursive handwriting.
 
Robert Maxwell said:
Cursive should be faster to write than printing, if you do it correctly. That's the point of cursive: efficiency.
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Well, that isn't the way it works out a lot of the time. On those rare occasions when I've been required to write a large amount of text by hand, I find I get about the same speed either way (and, due to more extensive practice, script may even be slightly faster since it doesn't require as much active thought).
 
tomalak301 said:
I was having a conversation with a friend about this and one thing I said is I can easily see the idea of text book being obsolete in the next few years in favor of the E-Readers like the Kindles and Ipads. It's just that Technology is going at such a rate that schools have to keep up with the times and the argument that students need to learn what the parents learned way back like 40-50 years ago doesn't really fly.

I do understand the points of NinjaCore though in that it should be a supplemental to handwriting and how to do math so hopefully this integration happens slowly. However, last week I was talking with a teacher and a question I had was other than a signature, what is the point of learning cursive. I do think Technology has made the idea of cursive obsolete and it will make other ideas obsolete too.
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It's not technology (at least not just technology) that are starting to steer teachers from textbooks. There is a growing trend where more teachers feel that textbooks can be counterproductive for many students' learning. Textbooks are more of a reference resource, instead of learning tools. Last spring, we never used textbooks. I never saw one single textbook in the entire school, and we didn't use technology that much.
 
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