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iPad compulsory at school

^TI-89s were actually banned in my high school for that exact reason. They do EVERYTHING for you!

I think I got my first graphing calculator (TI-86) in Grade 9, but I was in Honors Algebra 2, which was basically Trig. We didn't use the calculators for a whole lot other than graphing equations.
 
Shikarnov said:
Ninjacore said:
Technology makes students stupider, not smarter, those graphing calculators are nothing but crutches, the students rely on them for nearly everything, to the point that they do not learn the math skills that their parents had to learn, these ipads will just further inhibit the students from learning how to use their own brain...
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Ninjacore said:
Miss Chicken said:
Because a piece of paper does not work as an encyclopedia, you cannot download free classic books onto a piece of paper, and a multitude of other things.
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Thats what a library is for, yeah its slower and you won't be able to go partying as much but its been proven to work, I have a lap top I love it, i used computers for school, but I used it on my own time, its a learning aid, not a necc tool.
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I'm very sorry for this question, but I have to ask: Just how old are you? And do you have even a single shred of data to back up your assertions that technology is destroying the minds of our youth?
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I'm still young, my age is no secret, I use those graphing calculators, and I can tell you they are a crutch, they allowed me to do work that I did not need to learn...so I am speaking out of experience...you can see my age on profile...
 
Hornbooks, dammit.

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RoJoHen said:
^TI-89s were actually banned in my high school for that exact reason. They do EVERYTHING for you!

I think I got my first graphing calculator (TI-86) in Grade 9, but I was in Honors Algebra 2, which was basically Trig. We didn't use the calculators for a whole lot other than graphing equations.
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I believe that 89's were banned for us as well in high school. I had a TI-82 my first year and an 83 for the rest. That said, I don't think banning them was really necessary. Sure, you could plug in a symbolic integral and get out the result but then you wouldn't have had any work to write down which was an instant 0 in all of my math classes. When I got my 89 in undergrad it was really useful in a lot of classes... not to do my work for me but to help me check my work (I have a very high rate of making stupid basic algebra errors on complex math problems).

I would submit that anyone who was able to get by not actually learning anything because of a graphing calculator either did poorly and just barely passed... or had math teachers that didn't care for whatever reason. And in both cases the problem isn't technology.
 
Ninjacore said:
I'm still young, my age is no secret, I use those graphing calculators, and I can tell you they are a crutch, they allowed me to do work that I did not need to learn...so I am speaking out of experience...you can see my age on profile...
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I can attest to that as well.

Shikarnov: You want data? Fine. Here are some cold hard numbers.

31 students in my school took the test after failing in Math B (There are five levels, A-E)
Out of those 31, 15 used the calculators the school supplied. Those 15 student had the same errors in their tests after attempting to use the calculator for one of the questions.

Out of the 31 student who took the test, 29 failed. And 2 passed with the bare minimum.

The principal ordered and investigation because of these disastrous results. Finally they decided to have extra classes (after school) where the calculators were prohibited except for graphing. The next test two months later, 26 out of 31 passed with mid or high grades.
 
ares93 said:
Ninjacore said:
I'm still young, my age is no secret, I use those graphing calculators, and I can tell you they are a crutch, they allowed me to do work that I did not need to learn...so I am speaking out of experience...you can see my age on profile...
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I can attest to that as well.

Shikarnov: You want data? Fine. Here are some cold hard numbers.

31 students in my school took the test after failing in Math B (There are five levels, A-E)
Out of those 31, 15 used the calculators the school supplied. Those 15 student had the same errors in their tests after attempting to use the calculator for one of the questions.

Out of the 31 student who took the test, 29 failed. And 2 passed with the bare minimum.

The principal ordered and investigation because of these disastrous results. Finally they decided to have extra classes (after school) where the calculators were prohibited except for graphing. The next test two months later, 26 out of 31 passed with mid or high grades.
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Sorry...what does that show other than the extra classes were sorely needed for that class?
 
boobatuba said:
ares93 said:
Ninjacore said:
I'm still young, my age is no secret, I use those graphing calculators, and I can tell you they are a crutch, they allowed me to do work that I did not need to learn...so I am speaking out of experience...you can see my age on profile...
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I can attest to that as well.

Shikarnov: You want data? Fine. Here are some cold hard numbers.

31 students in my school took the test after failing in Math B (There are five levels, A-E)
Out of those 31, 15 used the calculators the school supplied. Those 15 student had the same errors in their tests after attempting to use the calculator for one of the questions.

Out of the 31 student who took the test, 29 failed. And 2 passed with the bare minimum.

The principal ordered and investigation because of these disastrous results. Finally they decided to have extra classes (after school) where the calculators were prohibited except for graphing. The next test two months later, 26 out of 31 passed with mid or high grades.
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Sorry...what does that show other than the extra classes were sorely needed for that class?
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Yeah, the data would be more valid if there was a separate group that took Math B under the same circumstances once without ever using the graphing calculator.
 
I don't really think it's a very good idea to use iPads and stuff in school, especially not at the beginning. First of all, because (hand)writing, drawing and arithmetic skills already suck badly, and the more they use computers, the worse it will become. Second of all, it's binding children to Apple/Microsoft/whatever company they chose. They already have very aggressive marketing. Do we really need to push kids towards them?
 
ares93 said:
Ninjacore said:
I'm still young, my age is no secret, I use those graphing calculators, and I can tell you they are a crutch, they allowed me to do work that I did not need to learn...so I am speaking out of experience...you can see my age on profile...
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I can attest to that as well.

Shikarnov: You want data? Fine. Here are some cold hard numbers.

31 students in my school took the test after failing in Math B (There are five levels, A-E)
Out of those 31, 15 used the calculators the school supplied. Those 15 student had the same errors in their tests after attempting to use the calculator for one of the questions.

Out of the 31 student who took the test, 29 failed. And 2 passed with the bare minimum.

The principal ordered and investigation because of these disastrous results. Finally they decided to have extra classes (after school) where the calculators were prohibited except for graphing. The next test two months later, 26 out of 31 passed with mid or high grades.
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15 used the calculators the school supplied.
 
JarodRussell said:
I don't really think it's a very good idea to use iPads and stuff in school, especially not at the beginning. First of all, because (hand)writing, drawing and arithmetic skills already suck badly, and the more they use computers, the worse it will become. Second of all, it's binding children to Apple/Microsoft/whatever company they chose. They already have very aggressive marketing. Do we really need to push kids towards them?
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I agree with all of this, especially the second point. Kids should not be indoctrinated with marketing BS inside of schools.

As for your first point, I'm almost 26, and I didn't use a computer much during school years (only for assignments, which wasn't too often :D ), and in the years since leaving school, my handwriting has turned to crap, and my handwriting used to be pretty good.
Now imagine what it will be like for kids who never bother to write that often to begin with. Obviously handwriting isn't as important as it used to be, with most things typed, but it's still an important and necessary skill for every day life.
 
alright, my bloody point was that all the students who had a calculator failed the same question. meaning they had no clue how to do it by hand and they simply inputted it into the calculator hoping it would work.

when they later took the same class again without the use of calculators they actually learned how to do it. and almost everyone passed the test.

there was an investigation about this. i can upload the document itself. i still have admin access to the school servers. unless they are turned off during the summer.
 
ares93 said:
alright, my bloody point was that all the students who had a calculator failed the same question. meaning they had no clue how to do it by hand and they simply inputted it into the calculator hoping it would work.

when they later took the same class again without the use of calculators they actually learned how to do it. and almost everyone passed the test.

there was an investigation about this. i can upload the document itself. i still have admin access to the school servers. unless they are turned off during the summer.
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Again, since your point seems to be that using the calculator was what kept the students from getting the question correct...

why didn't the students without the calculators get it right?
 
ares93 said:
alright, my bloody point was that all the students who had a calculator failed the same question. meaning they had no clue how to do it by hand and they simply inputted it into the calculator hoping it would work.

when they later took the same class again without the use of calculators they actually learned how to do it. and almost everyone passed the test.
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It's an interesting result, but it leaves some open questions. As Finn said, perhaps the fact that the kids effectively took the class twice was relevant. I know the few classes I've had to re-take, the second time around I did much better.

A true study would need to be set up with two completely different sets of kids taking two versions of the class, made as identical as possible except for the use of calculators. The type of calculator would also need to be controlled (TI-83 vs 89 makes a big difference).
 
boobatuba said:
ares93 said:
alright, my bloody point was that all the students who had a calculator failed the same question. meaning they had no clue how to do it by hand and they simply inputted it into the calculator hoping it would work.

when they later took the same class again without the use of calculators they actually learned how to do it. and almost everyone passed the test.

there was an investigation about this. i can upload the document itself. i still have admin access to the school servers. unless they are turned off during the summer.
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Again, since your point seems to be that using the calculator was what kept the students from getting the question correct...

why didn't the students without the calculators get it right?
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I answered that already...
 
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