Spin off topic, anyone you wouldn't save their life if you could.
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What about those goddamn annoying Jehovah's Witnesses?
Primum non nocere, people.
doubleohfive
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Are you seriously saying that just because someone is annoying (to you), you'd let them die/not save them if you had the opportunity to do so?
Really? REALLY?
Random aside: since when has it been permissible around here for any religious group to be referred to as "goddamn"ed ?
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So ... kill all Latin speakers?
Um...I think that means, "First do no harm."
In hindsight, that phrase came into my head when reading the thread, and now I'm debating over the exact relevance of that phrase in this thread, as it usually is used in the medical context when debating over when to perform a specific medical intervention that could do more harm than good, as opposed to the OP's scenario of deciding whether to intend to "save someone's life" the first place. Of course, with regard to that last part, I would definitely try to do something for the dying person if I was able to, with good intentions - I wouldn't want another dead person on my conscience, especially if I could and should have made a difference but deliberately chose not to.
Of course, it's never easy, as the intention to act in the person's best interests by doing something to save someone's life, in whatever way, itself carries the potential for harm in various ways. This needs to be balanced with (for sake of argument, in broad terms) the ability of the patient to decide for themselves what is best.
Looking broader, of course, are the later actions and consequences of the person after a successful treatment, as implied by the OP's question, and of which not everything can be foreseen. Will the frail man with alcoholic liver cirrhosis continue to drink booze? Would the tyrant being treated for kidney failure continue to carry out his inhuman plans? Personally, in the situation of the immediate care provider, I would nevertheless focus on saving their life as appropriately as possible (given the above).
I certainly would not want to face the consequences if I was deliberately negligent in saving someone in a situation where I was definitely capable of doing something that would make a difference.
There's one person in this world I wouldn't lift a finger to save, and that stems from a deep, personal anger and hatred for this person. As for anyone else, anyone at all, I like to think that no matter who they might be or what they've done, I'd at least call for help.
But that one person? I hate myself for saying it, but I'd let him die without a second thought. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but nobody's perfect. I can only hope I'm never put in that position.
Jerriecan
But that one person? I hate myself for saying it, but I'd let him die without a second thought. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but nobody's perfect. I can only hope I'm never put in that position.
Jerriecan
An elderly woman once told me the story of how she waited an hour to call the ambulance after her husband had a stroke because she was sick of him. I was quite taken aback. Despite being at least in his 80's he didn't die but ended up in a nursing home and she was ecstatic about not living with him any more.
I couldn't stand by and let someone die if there was anything I could do to stop it. Not even if that person was my worst enemy.
Gaddafi isn't the monster the news is painting him as, he has done alot of great things for Libya, womens rights, irrigation, and other great improvements. It's mostly propaganda used to justify the illegal war Nato is having.
ed629
Rear Admiral
He's done more than enough, he attemtped to destroy a relationship of mine several times. And then denied it. He's flat out lied to my face about it, then attempted to paint me as the liar. He's also humiliated me on more than on occasion just so he can get a laugh out of it. And more, that I just don't want to go into detail here.
I would this let person's entire family die just to see him suffer their loss. I don't even call him by his name because I can't bring myself to give him that slight respect.
You need to get help. You are either going to end up hurting other people because of your anger issues or turning into a truly horrible bitter person.
Humor. It is a difficult concept.
Seriously, though, there are some folks who are simply evil bastards who don’t deserve to live. It’s the old “If you had the power, would you go back in time and assassinate Hitler” question.
It’s quite acceptable to refer to any group, religious or otherwise, as “goddamned” if you really, really don’t like them.Random aside: since when has it been permissible around here for any religious group to be referred to as “goddamn”ed ?
ed629
Rear Admiral
I've felt this about fat fuck for close to two years now. I wouldn't do anything personally to fat fuck, he isn't worth it. Someone asked why I feel the way I do about him, I will not go into details about everything he has done, I thought of him because of the thread I spun this off from.
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
No kidding. In order for it to be humorous, it'd have to be funny, which your comment is most decidedly not.
Seriously, though, there are some folks who are simply evil bastards who don’t deserve to live. It’s the old “If you had the power, would you go back in time and assassinate Hitler” question.It’s quite acceptable to refer to any group, religious or otherwise, as “goddamned” if you really, really don’t like them.Random aside: since when has it been permissible around here for any religious group to be referred to as “goddamn”ed ?
Firstly, I disagree. Secondly, I was referring to what I seem to recall as board policy protecting religious groups, particularly in Misc. I don't care how fringe the religion is, referring to any in such a manner is uncouth and insulting.
Wow, I thought you'd at least fabricate something that didn't make you look like a petty sociopath.
Wow, women's rights AND irrigation? There's something you'd never find in liberal democratic countries, so I guess that justifies decades of oppressive military dictatorship.
Back when the Libyan situation was kicking off a few month ago, I watch Gaddafi give his grand hour-long speech to a crowd numbered in the dozens, directly translated by Al Jazeera English. He spent about 10 minutes reading crimes from his little green book all of which ended with "...the punishment for which is death!" You disagree with the intervention in Libya? That's fine, nothing wrong with that. Trying to pass off Gaddafi as anything other than a power-mad dictator? That's absurdity.
As for the original question... I would not stand back and allow someone that had personally wronged me, or caused me to suffer, to die. I'm a strong enough person, just about, to be able to live with that pain and would not use it as justification for such an act. But there are people in this world that destroy lives, kill people by the thousand, and if I was in a position to save one of those people I would find it harder to justify saving them than allowing them to die. I wouldn't pull a trigger to kill them, but I wouldn't save them from drowning.
I disagree with the intervention in Lybia, too (well, kinda: more about the way than the reasons), but this is ridiculous.Well, par for the course.
Wow, I thought you'd at least fabricate something that didn't make you look like a petty sociopath.
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