Yeah but after he knew all the facts he still did not tell anyone so that makes him just as bad
The Most Villlainous Person In Starfleet?
- Thread starter Mojochi
- Start date
Yeah but after he knew all the facts he still did not tell anyone so that makes him just as bad
Captain Jellico is villainous? Not at all. While I suppose some may say he's an antagonist of the Chain of Command story (in much the same way Decker is an antagonist of TMP) there is nothing villainous about Jellico, nor in his actions or portrayal. Jellico is basically a man doing his job. He's very strict about his job, and at times comes of as a jerk or asshole. But he's not a villain by any definition of the word.
I agree with you one this one, basically I think the episode was trying to show the difference in the way the Two captains run things, Picard is the diplomat and sharing ideas/plans with his colleagues (or are they subordinates???) But Cap Jellico runs things very differently like a military general where his word is finale and wants things done without question etc anyways that is how I see him, so I would not put him in the evil category
You make a good point about the ends seeming to justify the means, T'Girl.
However, in this case the Ba'ku were being covertly monitored by the Federation. They were misled to believe the Ba'ku are a primitive species, so they hadn't yet made contact. After the failure of the Duckblind mission exposed the Federation to the Ba'ku, it would have become an opportune time for Dougherty to begin some diplomatic discussions about the benefits of the Ba'ku planet and to allow the Federation to perform research there. Of course, it would be a difficult diplomatic task, as the Ba'ku are averse to technology.
The health of the Son'a leader Ru'afo appears to be deteriorating. He desperately wants to extract the beneficial radiation from the Ba'ku and pressures Dougherty accordingly. But the big mistake in all this is that all Ru'afo would need to do is hide out on the planet surface for a while--he'd be healed! But he and the Son'a are angry at the Ba'ku for banishing them many years ago and want to take over their world. And, the process of extracting the beneficial radiation would destroy the planet. Rather misguided, killing the goose that lays the golden egg so that you can get a bunch of eggs up front, rather than being patient and taking an egg each day.
The corruption resides with the Starfleet officers who have conspired with the Son'a to take over the Ba'ku planet, namely Dougherty and his contacts in the Federation. Dougherty would be a co-conspirator on the Son'a intention to destroy the planet. It is true that he was seeking to gain the healing benefits for the Federation, but doing it in a very unethical manner. So... he's not an "evil villain" per se... but an unethical man all the same.
I fully agree. He wasn't likable, but a villain? No way.
Also, I wouldn't call Admiral Pressman a villain either. He violated a Starfleet regulation about cloaking devices, because he felt that it was a significant disadvantage for the Federation. He broke a regulation to try improving the advantages for Starfleet. He didn't directly jeopardize any lives... only incidentally lost a few crew members when the Pegasus experiment went awry. Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway have on numerous occasions violated Starfleet regulations, all with the intent of "doing the right thing." I don't think Pressman does anything worse. And in fact, I think he's a hero. Picard should have had the Enterprise remain cloaked until well out of range of the Romulans and then de-cloak, if anything. That was pretty sorry to expose this "mistake" to them. If I were Picard's overseeing admiral, I'd be pretty pissed at him.
Some would argue that in the end, Jellico saved Picard, and got the job the done.
It wasn't all neat and pretty and scientific like usual, but he did it anyway.
He just clashed with the sometimes soft approach attitude of the crew.
What if Riker were in command of that situation? What would he had done?
Attempt some type of outlandish rescue mission, or admit to an act of war to save Picard?
Or come to some type of techno babble based solution that would have tied everything up neatly...
Sisko also indirectly urged Worf to kill Gowron the leader of the Klingon empire.
And earlier released some type of toxin on a planet with a Maquis colony.
Then again, he often got put in those situations.
It wasn't all neat and pretty and scientific like usual, but he did it anyway.
He just clashed with the sometimes soft approach attitude of the crew.
What if Riker were in command of that situation? What would he had done?
Attempt some type of outlandish rescue mission, or admit to an act of war to save Picard?
Or come to some type of techno babble based solution that would have tied everything up neatly...
Sisko also indirectly urged Worf to kill Gowron the leader of the Klingon empire.
And earlier released some type of toxin on a planet with a Maquis colony.
Then again, he often got put in those situations.
Lets assume for a moment that the person who developed the Changeling virus was a Sector 31 operative working within Starfleet medical. Surely that would make them the most villainous person in Starfleet? Creating something with genocidal intent, sounds pretty villainous to me.
Amen! That was a total disregard for human rights..."basic human rights"! Often time their are other ways around this kind of situation without violating people civil rights and human rights, and by not violating people rights, this forces the government to look for a better way to operate forcing them to use their brain and only hiring very smart people to get the job done right. For example, the modern military now uses a long range satalite guided missiles to take out important specific targets without killing the civilians. This now mean they can kill the enemies with greater accuracy and more efficiency. If this was WW II or Vietnam, they would have gone in and bomb the a city reducing it to rubles.
WRONG!! If they don't join or aren't a Fed colony then they aren't a Federation planet Thats how it works.
They are within Federation territory. So who gets the job of defending them if they get invaded?
Bueller? Bueller?
Debatable the Ba'ku could lay claim to their one valley, and maybe the surrounding watershed. But the entire planet? 600 people? That would really be streaching the colony thing too far.
The Son'a certainly seemed to regard the planet as Federation property. Otherwise they would have simply harvested the rings, killed everyone on the surface and been on their merry way. They probably went to the Federation council with the prospect of medical advances, so they wouldn't have problems with the council later.
Not about the dead colonists, but because of theft of Federation property (the rings).
Debatable the Ba'ku could lay claim to their one valley, and maybe the surrounding watershed. But the entire planet? 600 people? That would really be streaching the colony thing too far.
The Son'a certainly seemed to regard the planet as Federation property. Otherwise they would have simply harvested the rings, killed everyone on the surface and been on their merry way. They probably went to the Federation council with the prospect of medical advances, so they wouldn't have problems with the council later.
Not about the dead colonists, but because of theft of Federation property (the rings).
My point exactly. They go into Federation territory and execute six hundred people they're pretty much picking a fight with the Federation. Regardless of whether or not the planet is a member. Doing anything else would set a bad precedent that other aggressor species would definitely take note of.
It's the TNG-era meaning as long as the invaders stay away from boder outposts and Fed planets they can do what ever they want as stoping them would violate the holy order of non-interferance know as the Prime Directive, this of course should not be confused with the TOS-era's Prime Directive which was basically as long has you don't f#$k up their culture you can but in and if you do make major changes it's okay if you have a really good reason like a nutty computer controlling them.
And just why not nobody else was living there and Federation colonies that don't cover more than one area of a planet are allowed to do so it seems hypocritical to say they can do it but nobody else can.
Of course this forgets the whole becoming involved in an internal mater which as pointed out in TNG is a bif NO NO, not to mention making the Feds a bunch of selfish bastards
Not about the dead colonists, but because of theft of Federation property (the rings).
On this note I would like to show the true villians of the Star Trek universe agroup so evil they let entire worlds die and say it isn't their problem, who would dump their principals the moment it becomes convienent for them, who seem to want to rule over the entire universe and launch miltary action againsy anyone who gets in their way, who use their own people has political pawns and then get involved in the problems of another power becuase said people aren't happy with the situation even though those people aren't a part of them anymore, and finally let their starship commanders do all sorts of illegal and amoral things and the PROMOTE them!
And what is this evil organization you ask...
Why its the United Federation of Planets from the 2360s onwards.
And people say the 24th century is a utopia. More like a crapsack world if you ask me.
^ She considered the rights of Tuvok and Neelix to exist independently, so I would not call it villainy.
I agree with the Laser.
In sense it is a "coin toss" scenario. You have two people who no longer exist, who are merged into one being. And Tuvix would have remained as he was, except that the means to revert him back to two different people was eventually realized. Now, assuming it would have a high degree of certainty to work, it would be a no-brainer. You're talking one person vs. two people... it would be better to have the two original people. But in this case, the odds were very uncertain. Tuvix could have died in the process, whereby nothing is gained and another life is lost. Except for the fact that Janeway felt extreme loyalty to her former colleagues, she didn't have much to stand on with forcing Tuvix to submit to the procedure. I never really liked Neelix much. But I did grow fond of Tuvok. And losing him for the rest of the series would have been tough.
Given what played out, Janeway shouldn't have forced Tuvix to submit. It did seem unethical to a degree... and yet, I can understand her desire to give Tuvok and Neelix another chance. I wish the writers had come up with a "last minute" change, whereby Tuvix reviews some deeply endearing logs of Tuvok & Neelix and then changes his mind.
Tuvix was even uglier then neelix, so I support her choice, it made the delta quadrant prettier, one person at a time...
I guess leaving her stranded in the Delta Quadrant and seeing them being killed by hostile aliens made Janeway bitter that way... But if everybody felt that way and started killing people, then I guess we would be starting a world war, wouldn't we... I guess that also justified serial killers' action for killing women because they were severely abused by women in their childhood, so as adults they hate women; thus should be release from prisons. It doesn't excuse her action.
Similar threads
