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WIP REQUEST FOR INPUT ON FUTURE VERSION OF ENDEAVOUR

Scott1768

Lieutenant Commander
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Y'all may remember my recent post regarding the movie-era Explorer class ship that I designed.

This is a side view of the TOS-era version along with the movie-era version:

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I am mentally kicking around ideas for a TNG/Voyager era version of the ship. It will be completely new construction, not an upgrade as the above comparison ("No bloody A, B, C, or D!"). While I want the design evolution to be immediately self-evident that it descends from the above design, I want it to be a ship of its time as well, one that fits confortably among the Intrepid class and her kin.

In the next day or so I will post some sketches of ideas that I am working on, but I would appreciate any input y'all can give me within the above parameters. Anything constructive is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
 
Hmmm...

Primary hull an elongated oval shape, similar to the Intrepid class, with the secondary hull flowing from it. The Sensor pod still coming off the secondary hull, but looking a bit more organic, perhaps.
 
At a glance, it's already got an Intrepid/Voyager shape to the general design. Realistically, you're closer than you think.
 
I'd probably use the existing Intrepid hull, with a few distinct modifications:

The aft engineering cutout would be brought forward significantly so as to reduce the mass of the 2ndary hull, and the deflector housing would be extended forward (kind of like the Enterprise-A, but with the forward profile of Voyager's deflector, slightly reduced in size).

I'd put aft torpedo launchers in where Voyager had an observation lounge, underneath the aft shuttlebay; and add some minor hull plating reinforcements around the upper-aft saucer (where those SIF reinforcement grid lines currently sit).

I might contemplate shoving a centreline Impulse Drive where the Intrepid's original torpedo launchers were sat, hooded ala the original Voyager concept art, or the Excelsior.

Not sure I'd do much to the warp nacelles - maybe elongate them a bit? I'm just trying to keep within the theme of identical basic hulls being used, more like TOS-TMP had... That's all the ideas I've got right now at least. :)
 
I disagree with Mysterion's suggestion of organic... Star Trek unfortunately lost that mild organic look when they dumped the Galaxy/ Nebula classes in favour of greebly Defiant/ Intrepid/ Sovereign classes.

I'm having a hard time visualizing an Intrepid type primary hull alone. It's such a top heavy looking ship. But maybe if you allow the aft section to flow directly down and then a little forward, that would mimic the photorp pod you have above.

I'd ordinarily stay away from those stubby little Voyager nacelles, but in this case, they may work. Maybe even sweep the pylons forward a little, keeping the nacelles more central to the hull. It would be a tight compact look.

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I just whipped this up to illustrate my point using an image from EAS. Obviously I modified it somewhat... ;)

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I disagree with Mysterion's suggestion of organic... Star Trek unfortunately lost that mild organic look when they dumped the Galaxy/ Nebula classes in favour of greebly Defiant/ Intrepid/ Sovereign classes.

I'm having a hard time visualizing an Intrepid type primary hull alone. It's such a top heavy looking ship. But maybe if you allow the aft section to flow directly down and then a little forward, that would mimic the photorp pod you have above.

I'd ordinarily stay away from those stubby little Voyager nacelles, but in this case, they may work. Maybe even sweep the pylons forward a little, keeping the nacelles more central to the hull. It would be a tight compact look.

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I just whipped this up to illustrate my point using an image from EAS. Obviously I modified it somewhat... ;)

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that looks good to me there Patrickivan :) :techman:
 
I personally think it is rather unattractive. I think that maybe it is the way the equipment strut curves around. I think I kind of like the way that the upper strut angles like a standard neck. Then we have the torpedo equipment, and then we have the lower strut which angles in the opposite direction, and mounted on the bottom of that is the main sensor/deflector.

Then again, we are talking about a rather unique configuration here. But I think the length of the torpedo launchers helps to balance out the design, and I that needs to be carried out.

Scott1768: I could try some sketching/brainstorming to see what I can come up with, with your approval of course. I kinda specialize in TNG-era designs and beyond, so I might be able to come up with something. Would you mind if I made some sketches?
 
Scott1768: I could try some sketching/brainstorming to see what I can come up with, with your approval of course. I kinda specialize in TNG-era designs and beyond, so I might be able to come up with something. Would you mind if I made some sketches?

Feel free, JES. Part of the reason I put this post up was to brainstorm and get ideas. I'll be posting some of my own in the next couple of days. I know I already said that, but real life gets in the way sometimes.... :)
 
Yeah same here. I have my cousins over, so I won't have much time to devote to sketching. Still, I'll try to spend at least one hour a day as usual trying to get some drawing in, and see if I can get something posted by the end of the week.

Just to clarify, what point in time is this supposed to be from? Is it from the same time the Intrepid was being designed, during the Dominion Wars, around the same time as designs like the Prometheus and Nova, around the same time the Luna was designed (around the same time as ST: Nemesis), or a little later? This will clarify what design elements I'm supposed to play with. And is she supposed to use components similar or identical to that used in the Intrepid class?
 
Just to clarify, what point in time is this supposed to be from? Is it from the same time the Intrepid was being designed, during the Dominion Wars, around the same time as designs like the Prometheus and Nova, around the same time the Luna was designed (around the same time as ST: Nemesis), or a little later? This will clarify what design elements I'm supposed to play with. And is she supposed to use components similar or identical to that used in the Intrepid class?

I don't really have a locked-down date that it will be from. Just somewhere in the Intrepid/TNG movies era. I'll be trying not to use any components that are directly from any extant canon ship, but I want it to evoke the fell of that time-frame.
 
My apologies if I took longer than you would have liked (I don't put off the sketching part, but I am terrible with procrastinating when it comes to scanning stuff), but here is what I came up with so far:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/40445677@N06/5995454690/in/photostream/

Also, it seems much of it scanned lighter than I would have liked. If you have a hard time seeing the shapes and lines, I can go back over everything with darker pencils, and scan it again.

I was thinking that Starfleet didn't start making exploration vessels until after the Dominion War, so I figure this is after the Dominion War, but these ships are like the Legacy class: they were first launched before the Luna class, so they have lower registries (no earlier then in the 76000-range, and no later than the 79000-range, though I would recommend using registries in the 77000 or 78000-range, because I believe that there are many in this range that are unused).

I designed her with a primary hull a rounded triangular shape, somewhere between that of the Intrepid class and Nova class, and with rounded edges, similar to the Galaxy and Legacy class. This is of course because of my taste for sleekness. The over all feel I was trying to convey was something similar to the Intrepid class, but sleeker and with a somewhat pointy nose, more like the Hades class, a design that I found on the internet. The sides of the primary hull are thicker to contain dedicated scientific sensor equipment, and the inner part of the edges curve downward when the meet the inner part of the secondary hull.

I also included raised sections similar to the Luna class, and the bridge is safely nestled in between them. If you would prefer to go without them, then another idea I had, but didn't have enough room on my paper to sketch out, was a primary section more along the lines of the aforementioned Hades class.

The back of the primary hull has a raised section like the Miranda class, and your Explorer class, which has the shuttlebays. Closeby are four impulse drives, similar to the Explorer class. In this case, I have experimented with the idea of giving her a hull separation, similar to how the original could separate her saucer from the engineering section, which I felt would be a fitting development for her evolution, and was a perfect way of referring to the quad impulse drive of the original, as well as using them to their full advantage.

The two hulls transition similar to the Galaxy class, and I have imagined her as having a small or semi-neck, similar to the Arrogant class and Frontier class, since most ships by this time only have short necks, if any at all.

I would imagine the nacelles could share elements from both the Intrepid class, and ships like the Sovereign and Nova class. I have even speculated that design elements from the Luna class are not out of the question, though I haven't really gone into sketching much out in this regard.

Finally, there are the torpedo launchers and sensor pod. One idea that I had was simply going with the design arrangement the Explorer class uses, while another idea I had was using a sensor platform using design elements in between that of the Nebula and Luna classes. The four torpedo launchers in this case would be mounted in the sensor platform, where they could also act as probe launchers as necessary.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the primary deflector! The primary deflector is mounted underneath the primary hull, similar to the Akira class, and like the Explorer class as well. She shamelessly takes design cues from the Akira's deflector housing, but I envision it as slimmer. In front of the main deflector, I envisioned her as having a pair of torpedo launchers, so that both sections could have that ability, if necessary. And the secondary hull has a deflector array on the nose as well.

Anyways, I hope that you like what I've come up with so far, and if you would like me to do some more sketches (or further refine the current ones), I'd be happy to do so. :)
 
Looking at the two different sketch proposals in here got me to spending a teensy bit of time on a quick thumbnail sketch.

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So, allow me to elaborate on my little thought, here. It's a bit tough to visualize because none of the sketches are consistent with each other :P And extremely crude.

The upper image is a bow view. The second is a side view, and the third is a split ventral/dorsal.

-The saucer has kept a bit of a rounded edge. I didn't want to give it a particularly aggrssive look. I think blunt and rounded look much less threatening. It doesn't need to be a fast, powerful ship, so I tried to keep it from looking too fast and powerful. I flared it out towards the back, which has the effect of sort of suggesting the arrowhead type ships, without directly invoking the exact shape.
-The nacelles are attatched to the engineering section in a fashion similar to the Sabre and Defiant class ships. This adds a bit of tough, yet utilitarian flair. They're also pitched down a bit to pay homage to the previous Endeavours.
-I see my proposal as being a smaller ship than the original Endeavours (better tech having supported better automation, cooler toys, etc). Thus, the engines are a bit beefy and the shuttlebay aperture is quite large, proportionally.
-The shuttlebay and bridge superstructure have been streamlined within a single cowling. The bridge is embedded in deck 1, much like the Defiant and Nova, again to emphasize the size.
-Impulse engines relocated to the sides of the saucer, as seems typical for a lot of TNG-era designs.

(JES, I love that sensor pod concept sandwiched in between the side view concept and the hull seperation sketch. Very Sternbach.)

EDIT:

I just realized that there's a suspicious similarity to Warped9's starship Eagle in the side sketch. Not that I mind.
 
Looking at the two different sketch proposals in here got me to spending a teensy bit of time on a quick thumbnail sketch.

Endeavour_CrazyPills.png


So, allow me to elaborate on my little thought, here. It's a bit tough to visualize because none of the sketches are consistent with each other :P And extremely crude.

The upper image is a bow view. The second is a side view, and the third is a split ventral/dorsal.

-The saucer has kept a bit of a rounded edge. I didn't want to give it a particularly aggrssive look. I think blunt and rounded look much less threatening. It doesn't need to be a fast, powerful ship, so I tried to keep it from looking too fast and powerful. I flared it out towards the back, which has the effect of sort of suggesting the arrowhead type ships, without directly invoking the exact shape.
-The nacelles are attatched to the engineering section in a fashion similar to the Sabre and Defiant class ships. This adds a bit of tough, yet utilitarian flair. They're also pitched down a bit to pay homage to the previous Endeavours.
-I see my proposal as being a smaller ship than the original Endeavours (better tech having supported better automation, cooler toys, etc). Thus, the engines are a bit beefy and the shuttlebay aperture is quite large, proportionally.
-The shuttlebay and bridge superstructure have been streamlined within a single cowling. The bridge is embedded in deck 1, much like the Defiant and Nova, again to emphasize the size.
-Impulse engines relocated to the sides of the saucer, as seems typical for a lot of TNG-era designs.

(JES, I love that sensor pod concept sandwiched in between the side view concept and the hull seperation sketch. Very Sternbach.)

EDIT:

I just realized that there's a suspicious similarity to Warped9's starship Eagle in the side sketch. Not that I mind.

I can understand a need to not make a ship such as this look too aggressive. What can I say? I just love sleek and aerodynamic!:D

I was thinking that the bow could have a blunted, or rounded point, like the Legacy class. It is obviously pointy, but not like a knife. Though if Scott chooses your rounded edge, I won't be complaining, though it is the flared rear that sort leaves me content in that department. I'm also thinking this is how the concealed secondary bridge and hull can look, though it might need to be stretched out if the lengthy neck is to be used, if you know what I mean (one of the upsides of a long, stretched out hull is being able to use a long, stretched out neck too).

Another idea that I had for the nacelles, but never addressed in my sketches, was using variable geometry nacelles. The reason for this is admittedly an aesthetic reason: I prefer nacelles that are upwards, but by using variable geometry, the nacelles can angle both ways, depending on the mood. The scientific excuse for this of course is increased warp field efficiency.

I really like the idea of using a more integrated style of nacelles. This could still work with variable geometry, it is just that the pylons would be more like thick mountings, which are sculpted to blend with what ever they are attached to.

I also have a suggestion for the class name. I was watching Eureka last night, and I thought that Astraeus was a nice name, one that happens not to be used (to my knowledge) for any visual examples, 3D models or otherwise. It would avoid the same problem that I've always had with the Explorer class, which has prevented me thus far from accepting it into my version of the universe, due to a frigate of the same class name from the 2390's.

Sorry, I have to go now to see Cowboys and Aliens with my father, so I have to cut my comment short for now.
 
Okay, where was I?

Ah yes, I'm glad you love the sensor pod.

To be honest, I'm not sure I remember what Warped9's Eagle looks like. Mind showing me?

I think that I designed the pod based on how I remembered that Scott's looked like, without actually looking at it, and used my imagination to fill in the blanks.
 
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