Nah. He doesn't have nearly enough neck in that pic to be a childhood rapist yet.
Most hated trilogy: Star Wars prequels or Bayformers?
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Nope, it was always "overestimate." No editing on my part. Feel free to have a mod check.Uhm... I could have sworn it said "underestimate"That's pretty much what I was saying.
No worries, just a simple misunderstanding.
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I was born in the 70's, so I grew up with both, and while the prequels have flaws-o-plenty, I have yet to even bother watching Bay's films because they screwed up the look so badly.
TPM I loved when I first saw it, my wife and I ended up watching it a dozen times in the theater, then the internet told me I needed to hate it, so I did. Later, I realized it's not that bad, and in fact, there is a certain tone or feel to the movie that, if AOTC and ROTS could have retained and combined with their obvious improvements, the PT would have been a whole lot better.
As someone else said, the animated Clone Wars series (both versions) have gone a long way toward making the prequels a lot more acceptable.
TPM I loved when I first saw it, my wife and I ended up watching it a dozen times in the theater, then the internet told me I needed to hate it, so I did. Later, I realized it's not that bad, and in fact, there is a certain tone or feel to the movie that, if AOTC and ROTS could have retained and combined with their obvious improvements, the PT would have been a whole lot better.
As someone else said, the animated Clone Wars series (both versions) have gone a long way toward making the prequels a lot more acceptable.
"I used to like TPM, but then a guy called Mr. Plinkett helped me see the light" scenario all over again.
EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I always liked the "atmosphere" of TPM, the design, the colors, lighting, all that stuff. I remember hearing Lucas say how some Renaissance artists liked to paint their subjects in the afternoon light and how he wanted to duplicate that look. I really loved that touch. Episodes II and III were really lacking when it came to style, IMO.
That may also have something to do with the fact that they were shot on film rather than digitally."I used to like TPM, but then a guy called Mr. Plinkett helped me see the light" scenario all over again.
EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I always liked the "atmosphere" of TPM, the design, the colors, lighting, all that stuff. I remember hearing Lucas say how some Renaissance artists liked to paint their subjects in the afternoon light and how he wanted to duplicate that look. I really loved that touch. Episodes II and III were really lacking when it came to style, IMO.
Sure. I raised a similar point in the ENT forum a while back, comparing the look of seasons 1-3 (dark, atmospheric) to how sterile season 4 looked. There's something about digital cameras that kinda ruins the illusion, If you ask me.
That may also have something to do with the fact that they were shot on film rather than digitally."I used to like TPM, but then a guy called Mr. Plinkett helped me see the light" scenario all over again.
EXACTLY how I feel about the whole thing. I always liked the "atmosphere" of TPM, the design, the colors, lighting, all that stuff. I remember hearing Lucas say how some Renaissance artists liked to paint their subjects in the afternoon light and how he wanted to duplicate that look. I really loved that touch. Episodes II and III were really lacking when it came to style, IMO.
Not to totally dismiss that possibility, but it's really more of a attitude among the cast and crew that came through on the screen in TPM that wasn't quite there in II and III. Unless it was them consciously being aware that they had switched to digital cameras, but I don't think that was it.
For comparison, The Next Generation's first season usually gets bagged on pretty hard, but when the wife and I did a series re-watch in the last year or two, the first season was not nearly as bad as we recalled; there was a tone and feeling to the episodes that was more reminiscent of TOS (that was even carried over into TNG's second season to some degree) that I suppose probably threw off a lot of people initially because it was a whole new crew and ship, but it was still being written, filmed and edited like TOS stories. People always cite season 3 of TNG as when the show came into it's own, and while no small part of that was simply an uptick in writing quality, there was also that tonal shift that completely left the TOS feel behind, with a few exceptions.
That's the kind of difference in tone and feeling that I feel was lost from TPM to AOTC and ROTS.
The only thing that jarred me is I think John Williams' score for TPM was better than the next two films, by and large - although they also had singular themes that were very strong (Across the Stars has an aching, lush, romantic beauty that conveys a romantic sentiment better than anything else in the film, for example.)
That's absolutely true - and I have a certain fondness for the first two years for that ephemeral reason (by and large I'll watch an episode from either year over most of season seven) - but I feel the shift between the first two seasons and season three is TNG finding its own voice. With the new writing staff and directorial approach, The Next Generation was now going to be its own, distinct program.
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I just couldn't get into the Transformers movies. They were okay (well, the first two I've seen), but not much else. I actually enjoy the Prequel trilogies. I mean, I hate the whole Anakin/Vader storyline because it's just poorly done, in my opinion, but I love the more fully realized Star Wars universe, and I liked Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn. Also, the Queen is hot (that's all a friend and I said for weeks after we saw the Phantom Menace theatrical run).
Seeing as how I can't even watch 5 minutes of any of the Transformers movies without getting a splitting headache from Bay's directing style... I'll have to vote for them for "most hated".
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Yeah, the second Transformers movie may be the worst movie I've ever seen. It's definitely the worst I've endured in a theater.
The first one isn't that bad. It's got it's moments of stupidity, but it's what you expect from a big action movie.
The second one however, is truly awful. Believe everything you hear about it.
Three words: John Turturro's ass.
(The first one is pretty bad, too. Five words: Bumblebee peeing on John Turturro. Why does he always get the shit humor?)
I've only seen the first Transformers movie on my wife's BIL's home system and it gave me a splitting headache. In addition, it's mind-numbingly stupid with unnecessary toilet humor inappropriate for my then-under-10-year-old son. ZERO stars!
TPT: I actually didn't mind the first one, Neeson and Ian are good. The second was was okay if you take out the idiotic romantic subplot of the Senator finding the murdering psychopath Anakin (played by one of the worst, most wooden actors ever....what's with the phony Brooklyn accent - the guy's Canadian?) irresistable and the fact the Jedis are SO THICK they can't figure out Palpatine is behind all this. ROTS was just damned depressing and Hayden STILL CAN'T FREAKING ACT!
So....as my wife's BIL said Trandformers #2 was just like the first one....I'd have to give Transformers the nod.
I do think the Clone Wars series is a lot of fun and more like the original trilogy, which I LOVE to pieces!
TPT: I actually didn't mind the first one, Neeson and Ian are good. The second was was okay if you take out the idiotic romantic subplot of the Senator finding the murdering psychopath Anakin (played by one of the worst, most wooden actors ever....what's with the phony Brooklyn accent - the guy's Canadian?) irresistable and the fact the Jedis are SO THICK they can't figure out Palpatine is behind all this. ROTS was just damned depressing and Hayden STILL CAN'T FREAKING ACT!
So....as my wife's BIL said Trandformers #2 was just like the first one....I'd have to give Transformers the nod.
I do think the Clone Wars series is a lot of fun and more like the original trilogy, which I LOVE to pieces!
If Lucas had hired a writer to fix that sub-theme through the prequels that the Jedi order had become so arrogant and fixed in their ways that they couldn't see what was going on, so that it came off better as in, Palpatine was really that good, that likely would have saved the whole PT.
Looking at it objectively, you can kinda see the idea Lucas was going for, that the Jedi were stagnant and not able to see the trees for the forest, and that's what led to their downfall. With his clunky writing they just came off looking dumb.
