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Problem in logic

Ha'kiv

Lieutenant Commander
I assume I can post random things here. I know those who are familiar with these type of problems won't find this hard. Nevertheless, it is fun to ponder.


A group of people with assorted eye colors live on an island. They are all perfect logicians -- if a conclusion can be logically deduced, they will do it instantly. No one knows the color of her eyes. Every night at midnight, a ferry stops at the island. Any islanders who have figured out the color of their own eyes then leave the island, and the rest stay. Everyone can see everyone else at all times and keeps a count of the number of people they see with each eye color (excluding themselves), but they cannot otherwise communicate. Everyone on the island knows all the rules in this paragraph.
On this island there are 100 blue-eyed people, 100 brown-eyed people, and the Guru (she happens to have green eyes). So any given blue-eyed person can see 100 people with brown eyes and 99 people with blue eyes (and one with green), but that does not indicate her own eye color; as far as she knows the totals could be 101 brown and 99 blue. Or 100 brown, 99 blue, and she could have red eyes.
The Guru is allowed to speak once (let's say at noon), on one day in all their endless years on the island. Standing before the islanders, she says the following:
"I can see someone who has blue eyes."
Who leaves the island, and on what night?
There are no mirrors or reflecting surfaces. It is not a trick question, and the answer is logical. It doesn't depend on tricky wording or anyone lying or guessing, and it doesn't involve people doing something silly like creating a sign language or doing genetics. The Guru is not making eye contact with anyone in particular; she's simply saying "I count at least one blue-eyed person on this island who isn't me."
And lastly, the answer is not "no one leaves ever."


*The answer is in the comments below so don't look yet.
 
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On the 100th day, all 100 blue eyed people leave. They are perfect logicians, if one leaves then they must all leave.
 
Perhaps you found the answer on another website but didn't quite get the reason right? Although they do leave the island on the 100th night, the answer is not "because they are perfect logicians and can only leave together". Or perhaps I don't understand you.
 
Perhaps you found the answer on another website but didn't quite get the reason right? Although they do leave the island on the 100th night, the answer is not "because they are perfect logicians and can only leave together". Or perhaps I don't understand you.

Yeah I googled it because that was the logical thing to do. If you have the resources to find an answer to something. Then it is the most efficient and "logical" thing to do ;)

As for my reasoning. From what I understood, if they could only see 98 as opposed to 99 people with blue eyes, then they would assume that one left and in order to balance out the equation all blue eyed people would have to leave.
 
I think it has something to do with the fact that nobody leaves during the first 99 days. Each additional day when no one is able to figure out their own eye color gives them information. I'm not sure of the details though.
 
Perhaps you found the answer on another website but didn't quite get the reason right? Although they do leave the island on the 100th night, the answer is not "because they are perfect logicians and can only leave together". Or perhaps I don't understand you.

I think it has something to do with the fact that nobody leaves during the first 99 days.

Exactly.

Each of the blue eyed-people knows that there are 99 blue-eyed people on the island (plus themselves but they don't know that).

If there's only one blue-eyed person on the island then he sees nobody with blue-eyes. Which means he can leave on the first night.

But that's not the case.

If there are 2 blue-eyed persons each of them sees 1 blue-eyed person on the island. Since they both still see one they can't be sure of their own colour. So neither of them leaves.

If neither of them leaves they know that they must both have blue eyes because nobody else does. They leave on the 2nd night.

If there are three blue-eyed people each one of them can see 2 blue-eyed people. If those two blue-eyed people haven't left on the 2nd day then the 3rd person knows that he must have blue eyes, too. They all leave on the third day.

Rinse and repeat. After 99 days everybody will know if he or she has blue eyes because nobody has left by then. They will know that in addition to the 99 blue-eyed people each of them sees there must be a 100th person. So they all leave on the 100th day.

I resisted the urge to google it but I think it should be pretty correct.
 
Yeah I googled it because that was the logical thing to do. If you have the resources to find an answer to something. Then it is the most efficient and "logical" thing to do ;)

As for my reasoning. From what I understood, if they could only see 98 as opposed to 99 people with blue eyes, then they would assume that one left and in order to balance out the equation all blue eyed people would have to leave.


Well, the point isn't to get the answer and say it out loud. It's to train your mind, try hard to figure it out by yourself. Considering this, the logical thing to do is not Googling it.
 
{ Emilia }
Yes indeed. It's impossible to imagine this, though.
Luckily they're all perfect logicians. If I were one of them, I'd ruin the whole thing.
 
For the first 99 days, nobody with blue eyes can confirm that they have blue eyes, so none of them leave. On the 100th day, since the other 99 blue-eyed people have been accounted for, the "extra" person has to have blue eyes.

That is, of course, assuming that the Guru is referring to a different individual each time she says "I can see someone who has blue eyes."
 
{ Emilia }
Yes indeed. It's impossible to imagine this, though.
Luckily they're all perfect logicians. If I were one of them, I'd ruin the whole thing.
Meh, it's just a riddle. No need to be a perfect logician to figure it out.
 
For the first 99 days, nobody with blue eyes can confirm that they have blue eyes, so none of them leave. On the 100th day, since the other 99 blue-eyed people have been accounted for, the "extra" person has to have blue eyes.

That is, of course, assuming that the Guru is referring to a different individual each time she says "I can see someone who has blue eyes."

What do you mean? The Guru says "I can see someone who has blue eyes." only once and isn't looking at anyone in particular.


{ Emilia }
Yes indeed. It's impossible to imagine this, though.
Luckily they're all perfect logicians. If I were one of them, I'd ruin the whole thing.
Meh, it's just a riddle. No need to be a perfect logician to figure it out.

If that is your opinion, then you are either a perfect logician or you haven't quite understood it. It's not 'just a riddle'.
 
What do you mean? The Guru says "I can see someone who has blue eyes." only once and isn't looking at anyone in particular.
You're right. I misread that part. My answer is still the same.

If that is your opinion, then you are either a perfect logician or you haven't quite understood it. It's not 'just a riddle'.
Well, a bunch of people here seem to get it, so either we're all perfect logicians, or it is just a riddle.
 
What do you mean? The Guru says "I can see someone who has blue eyes." only once and isn't looking at anyone in particular.
You're right. I misread that part. My answer is still the same.

If that is your opinion, then you are either a perfect logician or you haven't quite understood it. It's not 'just a riddle'.
Well, a bunch of people here seem to get it, so either we're all perfect logicians, or it is just a riddle.

If the Guru had not only spoken once, then it would be "just a riddle" - actually, it would not even be a riddle. However, since that is not the case, it's more than that. Actually imagining this situation with such a large number of people is, for me, impossible - therefore I would like to think it is at least not ridiculously easy for others. The fact that your answer was correct was a coincidence.

And what do you mean "a bunch of people"? Who, except Emilia?
Also, if you actually figured it out this quickly, perhaps you should change your user title.
 
What do you mean? The Guru says "I can see someone who has blue eyes." only once and isn't looking at anyone in particular.
You're right. I misread that part. My answer is still the same.

If that is your opinion, then you are either a perfect logician or you haven't quite understood it. It's not 'just a riddle'.
Well, a bunch of people here seem to get it, so either we're all perfect logicians, or it is just a riddle.

If the Guru had not only spoken once, then it would be "just a riddle" - actually, it would not even be a riddle. However, since that is not the case, it's more than that. Actually imagining this situation with such a large number of people is, for me, impossible - therefore I would like to think it is at least not ridiculously easy for others. The fact that your answer was correct was a coincidence.

And what do you mean "a bunch of people"? Who, except Emilia?
Also, if you actually figured it out this quickly, perhaps you should change your user title.
You asked a question. I thought about it and figured out the answer. How is that a coincidence?

It's just a math problem. Granted, it's a math problem that would take 100 days to solve, but it's still just a math problem.
 
You asked a question. I thought about it and figured out the answer. How is that a coincidence?

It's just a math problem. Granted, it's a math problem that would take 100 days to solve, but it's still just a math problem


If I asked you the number of clouds in the sky, and you told me the number of birds, which happened to be the same, your answer would be correct, but would this not be a coincidence? Have you tried thinking about the riddle again after I had corrected you? I suggest you do so.


Ah, yes, "just". Although both is "just" math, there is a difference between 1+1 and the logarithm of 55,3.
 
It's an exercise in inductive reasoning. Not all that hard once you realize that, but getting to that point isn't obvious.
 
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