Is the utopistic Trek gone with this movie?
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just a minor note, it's "utopian."
and it's kind of hard to say, considering we didn't get a lot of background on the conditions of the future Earth. This movie was more interested in the space-based story. I've never thought the supposedly utopian vision of the future was necessary for Trek's appeal anyway. For example, the "no money" thing I think wasn't actually established until TVH, as there are references to money invested in the crew's training in TOS. Plus it wasn't very progressive when it came to women.
my answer is it's hard to say yet, and it doesn't really matter to me if it is gone.
and it's kind of hard to say, considering we didn't get a lot of background on the conditions of the future Earth. This movie was more interested in the space-based story. I've never thought the supposedly utopian vision of the future was necessary for Trek's appeal anyway. For example, the "no money" thing I think wasn't actually established until TVH, as there are references to money invested in the crew's training in TOS. Plus it wasn't very progressive when it came to women.
my answer is it's hard to say yet, and it doesn't really matter to me if it is gone.
Thats 1960's conservative nonsense that was put in because of pressures from CBS execs. It was later retconned out and it is pretty much seen as an idea of madness from Janice Lester, thinking that her not being a Captain was due to her being a woman.
If you mean an idealistic future in which people of all races--including non-Human--work together, I'd say it was still there.
yeah, it was pretty clearly an embarrassing moment for Trek and later retconned, and we've seen plenty of examples of female captains and admirals, I was pretty much referring to the original series only.(this isn't a knock on TOS, which I love, just an acknowledgment of the reality that shows are a part of the time period in which they were made)
Take a look at the background characters on the Enterprise, the crew of the Kelvin and the Starfleet cadets. Look at the racial diversity among the humans - there's far more than any Trek has had before.
A united Earth, journeying to the stars.
I'm not sure just showing a diverse organization really qualifies as "utopian." First, if that's all it takes, then the U.S. military or various U.S. universities are "utopian" or "idealistic." Secondly, on-screen Trek's not very diverse in certain areas, like when it comes to gays for example.
of course. Because no characters in Trek ever discuss their heterosexuality when it comes to dating, relationships, etc., right? But gay characters would have to keep things quiet, because in their case, it would be "no one's business."
a nice standard of equality, there. "sure, be gay, just keep it QUIET, ok?"
On the other hand, there don't seem to be many aliens in the Starfleet ranks.
TOS was never supposed to be utopian. It showed a future that worked, that was better than today, but people were still struggling and feuding and trying to make a go of it on the final frontier. It was a positive vision of the future, as opposed to all the post-apocalyptic dystopias out there, but people still fought and argued and had their hearts broken . . .
The new movie felt like TOS to me. You have people from different planets and cultures united in a commmon Federation. It's not a post-atomic wasteland, the apes and the killer robots haven't taken over, Big Brother is not watching.
It's a future that works, but not one without problems or disagreement.
Just like the original series.
(But, yeah, the lack of gay characters in TREK has been embarrassing for years. Hell, even sitcoms have gay characters these days, but TREK keeps pussyfooting around the issue.)
The new movie felt like TOS to me. You have people from different planets and cultures united in a commmon Federation. It's not a post-atomic wasteland, the apes and the killer robots haven't taken over, Big Brother is not watching.
It's a future that works, but not one without problems or disagreement.
Just like the original series.
(But, yeah, the lack of gay characters in TREK has been embarrassing for years. Hell, even sitcoms have gay characters these days, but TREK keeps pussyfooting around the issue.)
What film were you watching? STXI had the most nonhuman Starfleeters since TMP.
Sorry "NBC", I'm afraid that error on my part is a result of the CBS logo constantly appearing on any and all recently released Star Trek items.
Technically the Trek 'Utopia' died at Wolf 359, but whatever...
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