Arc speculation about gangers (Spoilers if I'm right!)

[Lonemagpie]

And I was right!

Well done David. You should consider writing for this Doctor Who thing sometime.

Now I just have to figure out the dead Doctor arc...

I'm betting the person in the spacesuit who killed the Doctor will be (or be replaced by in a new timeline) ... the Doctor. But I'll have to have a think about how and why...

And they'd never be able to budget the sort of story I'd write...

 

[Lonemagpie]

Mmmmm, no. Too convoluted for a muggle audience.

Apparently not!

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Well done, indeed. It was a sound theory to begin with.

 

[Australis]

I acknowledge the superiority of the Magpie. That, and his inside source.


(I kid, I kid. )

 

[Lonemagpie]

I acknowledge the superiority of the Magpie. That, and his inside source.


(I kid, I kid. )

No, no, no inside source - Moffat doesn't know me (besides taking Cornell's side in an internet spat over a dozen years ago) so, no...

This proves that Moffat is playing the game honestly- no deus ex machinae; if you pay attention and observe what's really going on, you can work out where it's going, albeit only a week in advance.

It's a great compliment to his handling of the arcs, that it's possible to do that.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Agreed.

 

[Australis]

Yeah, rewatching TRF last night, I could see more and morwe where you were coming from. But didn't want to admit it. I am a Who fan and I have my pride! (like all the other ones )

 

[propita]

Please bear in mind I have not seen the latest episode yet, here in the US.

Do we know for certain that the Ms. Eyepatch is a bad guy? A pic at the orphanage show a smiling Amy, which is hard to imagine given Amy’s dislike of being told what to do. Is there a chance Ms. Eyepatch is helping/hiding Amy for Amy’s sake? Is it possible the smiling Amy in the photo is a gangerAmy?

I can’t believe Amy, Rory, or the Doctor would let Amy’s child go without a hell of a fight, unless taking the child would cause her injury/death. So those photos are puzzling to me, implying the child (and Amy-or-gangerAmy) are there for quite a while as the child grows.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Please bear in mind I have not seen the latest episode yet, here in the US.

Do we know for certain that the Ms. Eyepatch is a bad guy? A pic at the orphanage show a smiling Amy, which is hard to imagine given Amy’s dislike of being told what to do. Is there a chance Ms. Eyepatch is helping/hiding Amy for Amy’s sake? Is it possible the smiling Amy in the photo is a gangerAmy?

I can’t believe Amy, Rory, or the Doctor would let Amy’s child go without a hell of a fight, unless taking the child would cause her injury/death. So those photos are puzzling to me, implying the child (and Amy-or-gangerAmy) are there for quite a while as the child grows.

Have you ever met someone who wore an eye patch that didn't have an uber evil agenda?

 

[Skellington]

^ Nick Fury?

No, wait, doesn't count.

 

[PorthosShadow]

^ Nick Fury?

No, wait, doesn't count.

We haven't seen "The Avengers" yet

 

[StCoop]

Eyepatches make you so cool you can even do this while wearing one:

link

 

[intrinsical]

Well, based on what we now know I now feel quite certain that Rory Williams is the good man that River "kills".

Knowing that both Amy and his unborn child has been abducted is bound to drive Rory nuts. I bet he would do anything to rescue mother and child. And for some yet unknown reason, this results in him getting "killed" by River Song.

I am putting "killed" in quotes because I believe River Song lies just like The Doctor (This would be a good chance for The Doctor to plant River Song with the idea that he lies, giving River the clue she needed to realize that he isn't really dead back in "The Big Bang"). My belief is that The Doctor needed the universe to believe that Rory is dead, so they faked Rory's death and River Song willing goes to jail for the crime. Of course, this is just my wild guess

 

[PorthosShadow]

Well, based on what we now know I now feel quite certain that Rory Williams is the good man that River "kills".

Knowing that both Amy and his unborn child has been abducted is bound to drive Rory nuts. I bet he would do anything to rescue mother and child. And for some yet unknown reason, this results in him getting "killed" by River Song.

I am putting "killed" in quotes because I believe River Song lies just like The Doctor (This would be a good chance for The Doctor to plant River Song with the idea that he lies, giving River the clue she needed to realize that he isn't really dead back in "The Big Bang"). My belief is that The Doctor needed the universe to believe that Rory is dead, so they faked Rory's death and River Song willing goes to jail for the crime. Of course, this is just my wild guess

But that doesn't really jive with what the Cleric said in "Time Of The Angels" in which he the "good man" she killed was a hero too many. I really don't see Rory suddenly becoming a hero to millions or billions of people all of a sudden.

 

[evilnate]

But that doesn't really jive with what the Cleric said in "Time Of The Angels" in which he the "good man" she killed was a hero too many. I really don't see Rory suddenly becoming a hero to millions or billions of people all of a sudden.

I can see it, if what I've read about the next episode being a take-off of The Magnificent Seven is true. That's an element of the Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven derived stories. It starts as a mission for personal reasons or monitary gain, but becomes much more and the characters become heroes to many. The idea that Rory could become that kind of hero fits. He's already a mythic character, having protected Amy for two thousand years.

 

[PorthosShadow]

But that doesn't really jive with what the Cleric said in "Time Of The Angels" in which he the "good man" she killed was a hero too many. I really don't see Rory suddenly becoming a hero to millions or billions of people all of a sudden.

I can see it, if what I've read about the next episode being a take-off of The Magnificent Seven is true. That's an element of the Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven derived stories. It starts as a mission for personal reasons or monitary gain, but becomes much more and the characters become heroes to many. The idea that Rory could become that kind of hero fits. He's already a mythic character, having protected Amy for two thousand years.

But how many really know what he did for those 2000 years?

 

[evilnate]

Who knows. In the alternate world in The Big Bang there were tales, but after the universe reset we don't know how much of that carried over. However it the meta sense he is a mythic character, and I can see the seeds being planted of Rory being put on more of an equal footing with the Doctor. He's older than the Doctor after all!

 

[intrinsical]

Well, based on what we now know I now feel quite certain that Rory Williams is the good man that River "kills".

Knowing that both Amy and his unborn child has been abducted is bound to drive Rory nuts. I bet he would do anything to rescue mother and child. And for some yet unknown reason, this results in him getting "killed" by River Song.

I am putting "killed" in quotes because I believe River Song lies just like The Doctor (This would be a good chance for The Doctor to plant River Song with the idea that he lies, giving River the clue she needed to realize that he isn't really dead back in "The Big Bang"). My belief is that The Doctor needed the universe to believe that Rory is dead, so they faked Rory's death and River Song willing goes to jail for the crime. Of course, this is just my wild guess

But that doesn't really jive with what the Cleric said in "Time Of The Angels" in which he the "good man" she killed was a hero too many. I really don't see Rory suddenly becoming a hero to millions or billions of people all of a sudden.

Perhaps through his action to save Amy and child, he did something that ended the Silent's dominance over humanity. That certainly qualifies him as a hero to billions of humans past and present.

 

[Photoman15]

"Hero to many". How many is many? If it were 10, is that many enough?