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6x06 The Almost People (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

What are your thoughts on this week's episode?

  • Geronimo!!!

    Votes: 50 41.7%
  • Fish sticks and Custard

    Votes: 39 32.5%
  • Average

    Votes: 21 17.5%
  • Below Average

    Votes: 5 4.2%
  • Easy out for "The Impossible Planet"

    Votes: 5 4.2%

  • Total voters
    120
  • Poll closed .
Best episode of series 6. I liked the switch with the Shoes and thus opening up a box of tricks and after thoughts about it all. The doctor now knowing he will die.
Will that change the timeline? Can't wait to see what happens next.

That wasn't Tennants voice that said "Hello, I'm the Doctor" was it?

Is it possible the Amy switch was made in "Day of the moon" when she was in the dorm with all the Silents and her face was covered with markings. We don't know how much time passed.
 
I'm not sure why some people are still thinking that ganger Amy and human Amy are two different beings. I think that it was pretty clear that ganger Amy was basically an extension of the real Amy. The only difference between human and ganger Amy was the physical form. For all tense and purposes, everything that ganger Amy experienced was experienced by human Amy.

So no, The Doctor wasn't hypocritical by seemingly killing a sentient ganger because that wasn't the case. All he did was sever the link from one form to another but the real Amy was with them the whole time, just not physically.
What I'm saying is that GAmy has the POTENTIAL to become a new life, like all the other gangers.

I don't have a lot vested in it. It just seems that after the whole 'life is sacred' thing, it was harsh. It was also essential to disconnect her from whoever was observing them.
 
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I'm not sure why some people are still thinking that ganger Amy and human Amy are two different beings. I think that it was pretty clear that ganger Amy was basically an extension of the real Amy. The only difference between human and ganger Amy was the physical form. For all tense and purposes, everything that ganger Amy experienced was experienced by human Amy.

So no, The Doctor wasn't hypocritical by seemingly killing a sentient ganger because that wasn't the case. All he did was sever the link from one form to another but the real Amy was with them the whole time, just not physically.

It was just kind of startling since the ENTIRETY of the episode was devoted to the gangers and their treatment. It might be able to be rationalized but it took me out of the moment while watching.
 
Okay, so I'm trying to work out when Amy was kidnapped and replaced, and the only thing I can come up with so far is during the 3 months when they were on the run in the US. We know for a fact she'd been replaced prior to Canton "shooting" her, because from that point on she was with them the entire time and that was when they went to the orphanage and she first saw eyepatch lady who said "I think she's just dreaming" or something like that. But if anyone has any more specific ideas on when she might have been kidnapped, I'd be interested to hear them.
 
I'm not sure why some people are still thinking that ganger Amy and human Amy are two different beings. I think that it was pretty clear that ganger Amy was basically an extension of the real Amy. The only difference between human and ganger Amy was the physical form. For all tense and purposes, everything that ganger Amy experienced was experienced by human Amy.

So no, The Doctor wasn't hypocritical by seemingly killing a sentient ganger because that wasn't the case. All he did was sever the link from one form to another but the real Amy was with them the whole time, just not physically.

It was just kind of startling since the ENTIRETY of the episode was devoted to the gangers and their treatment. It might be able to be rationalized but it took me out of the moment while watching.

Including the stuff about them remembering being "decommissioned", the eyes being the last thing to go, that wall of eyes and the heap of 'old flesh' that was suffering terribly. It was pretty damned clear that even connected gangers were sentient to the degree of experiencing.

I also noticed that the Doctor made Rory step away before liquidising Amy - is Rory a ganger too? (as per my speculation)

And yes, the midwife is a different actress, but I definitely got an Alex Kingston vibe from her.

Haven't voted, but if I'm honest I didn't like it. Too much all over the place, too much didn't quite fit - why the Jenny-monster? What was that about? The flesh can only copy, yet is on an island with no other wildlife? Or was that just a plot device?

(I also have doubts about the normal progress of a pregnancy if the mother is confined on her back throughout!)

And deep down, I no longer trust the series. I really hope they resolve enough next week, as I shall probably not watch the next round.
 
Okay, so I'm trying to work out when Amy was kidnapped and replaced, and the only thing I can come up with so far is during the 3 months when they were on the run in the US. We know for a fact she'd been replaced prior to Canton "shooting" her, because from that point on she was with them the entire time and that was when they went to the orphanage and she first saw eyepatch lady who said "I think she's just dreaming" or something like that. But if anyone has any more specific ideas on when she might have been kidnapped, I'd be interested to hear them.

What about when the Silence had her in "Day of the Moon?" That was the only other time I can think of where she was separated from everyone. If they really are behind this as seems likely, they'd have the motive. Plus, before she was kidnapped was when she told the Doctor she was pregnant, and it was after they got her back that she changed her mind and said she wasn't.
 
This one did nothing for me. Shame Mulder's sister died though. Oh, wait, this is Doctor Who. Hard to tell with the first two parter then this one. I thought I was watching a X-Files remake.
 
Ok at this point what did rory know, as he stepped away from his wife far too easily plus I don't think he looked very surprised when the doctor disintergrated Amy.
 
Okay, so I'm trying to work out when Amy was kidnapped and replaced, and the only thing I can come up with so far is during the 3 months when they were on the run in the US. We know for a fact she'd been replaced prior to Canton "shooting" her, because from that point on she was with them the entire time and that was when they went to the orphanage and she first saw eyepatch lady who said "I think she's just dreaming" or something like that. But if anyone has any more specific ideas on when she might have been kidnapped, I'd be interested to hear them.

What about when the Silence had her in "Day of the Moon?" That was the only other time I can think of where she was separated from everyone. If they really are behind this as seems likely, they'd have the motive. Plus, before she was kidnapped was when she told the Doctor she was pregnant, and it was after they got her back that she changed her mind and said she wasn't.

There's the bit where Amy goes to the ladies in The Impossible Astronaut and sees a Silent. We don't see what happens between Amy seeing the other women destroyed and Amy coming out of the room. I can't remember the details but isn't at this point that we get the first hint that Amy is pregnant?

Similarly, we don't see what happens to River after she first sees the Silents in the tunnel and her re-appearing (after which she complains about her stomach IIRC).
 
The DoctorGanger could still be the Doctor that we saw die. He could have reformed himself after the incident at the plant or something; maybe the part of the Flesh that he was survived or even Flesh-regenerated. Maybe The Doctor, Amy, or River make a deal with The Flesh entity to send a copy to his death by the astronaut in the end if the DoctorGanger doesn't somehow deduce or discover the event himself. (Amy gave him a hint, though.)
 
The DoctorGanger could still be the Doctor that we saw die. He could have reformed himself after the incident at the plant or something; maybe the part of the Flesh that he was survived or even Flesh-regenerated. Maybe The Doctor, Amy, or River make a deal with The Flesh entity to send a copy to his death by the astronaut in the end if the DoctorGanger doesn't somehow deduce or discover the event himself. (Amy gave him a hint, though.)

No, she told the real Doctor. They swapped shoes and the real Doctor was pretending to be the Ganger Doctor all along. He said so at the end, plus the way he said "But we aren't invited to this one" at the end.
 
The DoctorGanger could still be the Doctor that we saw die. He could have reformed himself after the incident at the plant or something; maybe the part of the Flesh that he was survived or even Flesh-regenerated. Maybe The Doctor, Amy, or River make a deal with The Flesh entity to send a copy to his death by the astronaut in the end if the DoctorGanger doesn't somehow deduce or discover the event himself. (Amy gave him a hint, though.)

No, she told the real Doctor. They swapped shoes and the real Doctor was pretending to be the Ganger Doctor all along. He said so at the end, plus the way he said "But we aren't invited to this one" at the end.

It's a little amusing to me that some viewers were preemptively getting upset that the ganger Doctor was going to be the one who died on the beach. Now that it was all but spelled out that that is not the case some are still insisting that could still be it. I trust TPTB that the conclusion to that story will be an interesting and not quite so obvious.
 
Some very minor plot holes that I rememebred on second thought - not enough to spoil it, but there nevertheless.

1. The one guy sneezing. Why? We assumed it would be a way of telling the real from the ganger, but it was never actually used for anything. You don't usually put random stuff like that in a script if it's not meant to do something.

2. The escape shuttle. The gangers convinced them they were the real ones, and that the real ones were gangers and were already dead. But then they never made it to either the roof or the courtyard, and they all escaped via the Tardis, and no further mention was made of whether the shuttle was still hanging around waiting for them.

I couldn't understand some dialogue

-When the doctor and one of the workers are talking

Worker-You're not *Something*?
The Doctor-Oh earth yes
Work- Well seeing as earth is all that's on...

Cleaves had her headache. The Doctor seemd to intuitively know that it was a blood clot. She said, "Inoperable?" He said, "On Earth, yes." Which led her to realise he wasn't from Earth, and wasn't a weather inspector like he claimed to be at the beginning.

What about when the Silence had her in "Day of the Moon?" That was the only other time I can think of where she was separated from everyone.
No, because as has already been pointed out, she saw the Eye Patch Lady before she was kidnapped by the Silence. So whoever has her already had her before that.

No, the options are pretty much either before the entire season began, or during the missing three months in DotM.

ETA: Just watched Confidential, and one of the producers says that FakeAmy has been wandering around since episode 1, over a clip of Amy and Rory arriving in Utah. Assuming that can be taken as within-show truth, then Amy was replaced before the season even started.

The DoctorGanger could still be the Doctor that we saw die. He could have reformed himself after the incident at the plant or something; maybe the part of the Flesh that he was survived or even Flesh-regenerated.
Ganger Doctor did have a line suggesting that maybe there'd be some way to come back from it, and that they's just have to see how it went. So it leaves a tiny if unlikely window available for him to come back.

ETA: Just watched Confidential, and the writer bloke specifically says that he didn't kill a real person, just cut the cord to the real person, so no-one was killed. Again, it's questionable as to whether the writer's intention actually came across on the screen.

No, she told the real Doctor. They swapped shoes and the real Doctor was pretending to be the Ganger Doctor all along. He said so at the end, plus the way he said "But we aren't invited to this one" at the end.
It took me a while to figure it out, but the moment when they changed shoes was when the two Doctors were bobbing up and down behind the console, claiming to be fixing the power on the machine, but we couldn't actually see what they were doing. It's the moment when the Doctors realized that Amy thought of them differently, so probably when they came up with the idea to fake her out.
 
The DoctorGanger could still be the Doctor that we saw die. He could have reformed himself after the incident at the plant or something; maybe the part of the Flesh that he was survived or even Flesh-regenerated. Maybe The Doctor, Amy, or River make a deal with The Flesh entity to send a copy to his death by the astronaut in the end if the DoctorGanger doesn't somehow deduce or discover the event himself. (Amy gave him a hint, though.)

No.

I'd be willing to bet that the person in the spacesuit who killed the Doctor will be... the Doctor. And that he came through a lake because he used the transport system of the Siren from episode 3...

*However* I suspect that the little girl is a ganger - probably of Amy's child - created from the later Flesh technology (remember the Doctor said this was its early stages) which has the GangerDoc's molecular pattern saved, hence this ganger has some (probably limited to once) regeneration ability from that surviving part of the Doctor's pattern...
 
Alas poor Doctor Who, I knew him TREKBBS....

Terrible episode, worse than the last one. Although the sound design on this episode was slightly better so I'll give it that. Twist ending was obvious and it got REALLY stupid towards the ending. And who'd have guessed the Lazarus creature would have made a guest appearance!! The only good thing about it was hearing Tom Baker's voice, because it reminded me of when Doctor Who was good.

Well, I'm giving up here, so long NuWho.
 
Cleaves had her headache. The Doctor seemd to intuitively know that it was a blood clot.

Her shouting "you picked the body with the clot" to her ganger through the door while tapping her head may *just* have been a bit of a clue to that!
 
Cleaves had her headache. The Doctor seemd to intuitively know that it was a blood clot.

Her shouting "you picked the body with the clot" to her ganger through the door while tapping her head may *just* have been a bit of a clue to that!
That was later wasn't it?

Yes. The clot was first mentioned when they were in the control room, before the Ganger Doctor left with Buzzer. The scene through the door was later.

Loved the episode and the two-parter as a whole. I have a feeling episode 7 and the hiatus is going to drive us insane.
 
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