While watching Pixar's Ratatouille, I noticed something...

[Sci]

You can blow hot air from your mouth all day long, but talking about "reality" doesn't make it true.

People have reported to you numbers and figures about gender discriminations: job disparity, pay grade comparisons, violence (the real kind, not the one you see on tv), sexual objectification and glass ceilings. What you've got? Sit-com and cartoons.

Reality is not really on your side, mate.

My existence has shown me different..so I guess it's all relative then huh?

I'll share this story with you: I once worked for a phone company. I was hired through the temp agency so I was being paid by the temp agency, not the company.

This was during the recession of the late 80s early 90s and the phone company wouldn't hire me directly even though I begged and the pay from the temp agency was shit.

I worked in the IT capacity. One secretary took a liking to me...which is fine. But I wasn't interested. I was also involved in with another girl at the time and I dont screw around.

She didn't take kindly to my rejection so one week she failed to turned in my pay paperwork to the temp agency. I didn't get paid for that pay period and I didn't find out until payday came.

Now, my circumstances were such that I was living hand to mouth, I NEEDED THAT PAY CHECK!! When confronted, she argued that it was not her responsibility since she works for the phone company and not the temp agency...although she had been doing this for several month already and never told me otherwise.

Fine, from that point on I submitted my own paperwork but I suffered during that pay period. I needed rent money, I needed food money...I needed money for the bus to get to work. I was completely broke and had no other resource to get help from. My girlfriend couldn't help me either since she was a college student financed by her parents.

I remember, I would buy a loaf of French bread, break it down the middle. The first half was for breakfast, the second half for dinner. That was it. Times were tight enough as they were but what she did just made it worse. Hunger pains are not pleasant.

I suffered because I bruised this woman's ego. Nothing more. I never flirted with her, or was overtly friendly to her in any way. I kept a professional attitude with her.

So dont talk to me about any fucking glass ceilings or the oppressed female. I treat ALL women now like I do men with no special consideration because they deserve none.

If that makes me bitter than so be it.

1. I'm very sorry to hear that this person treated you so poorly.

2. The fact that one woman abused her authority and harassed you does not mean that overall, social structures are not geared towards privileging men. You are not the whole of society, and your one experience does not make for general social patterns.

3. Get the fuck over it. The fact that one woman was a bitch doesn't mean that all women are bitches.

 

[HAL.9000]

3. Get the fuck over it. The fact that one woman was a bitch doesn't mean that all women are bitches.

Then I must be a bitch magnet because this is just one story of many.

 

[Sci]

As for society, I see society made up of individuals..not as a whole entity. If female individuals in this society are capable of overt, discriminatory action then is it a reflection of their gender?

No.

Men are universally labeled as assholes when it come to their interactions with women.

By whom?

I and others have argued that social structures unfairly function to privilege men. That's not the same thing as saying that men are universally assholes.

Are all men the same? No, but we all get the same label right?

No. And neither should all women.

3. Get the fuck over it. The fact that one woman was a bitch doesn't mean that all women are bitches.

Then I must be a bitch magnet because this is just one story of many.

Given the incredible level of misogyny you've displayed in this thread? Yes, it's entirely possible that women deliberately behave in an unpleasant manner towards you in retaliation for your prejudices against them.

 

[HAL.9000]

3. Get the fuck over it. The fact that one woman was a bitch doesn't mean that all women are bitches.

Then I must be a bitch magnet because this is just one story of many.

Given the incredible level of misogyny you've displayed in this thread? Yes, it's entirely possible that women deliberately behave in an unpleasant manner towards you in retaliation for your prejudices against them.

The "misogyny" came afterwards, not before. Once upon a time I was a "gentleman." Then I got smart, mainly because I'm not a masochist. Now that doesn't mean I am a deliberate jerk towards women. I just dont grant them any special privilege based on gender, given the lack of equality they are always griping about. Equal women want, equal they will get.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

I'm sorry but I really don't think we live in a "female-dominated" society, hence I've already disagreed with the starting premise.

if the only women you meet are "bitches", then maybe you should look at your own personality and figure out why. I have dated or been friends with many women, and here's the number I would qualify as "bitches": 0

 

[HAL.9000]

I'm sorry but I really don't think we live in a "female-dominated" society, hence I've already disagreed with the starting premise.

if the only women you meet are "bitches", then maybe you should look at your own personality and figure out why. I have dated or been friends with many women, and here's the number I would qualify as "bitches": 0

I had reflected on this for many years and my only conclusion was that I had confused the word "gentleman" with "pushover."

My experiences have also shown me that women are really no different than men. Aside from the physical, we all think and feel alike.

Another story?:

OK, some years ago I suffered a seizure while driving. It was winter around 6 am on the highway. I passed out with my vehicle on cruise control set on 65mph. My vehicle crossed over the median onto oncoming traffic and then over the edge of the highway on the other side. I know this because that is the report the truck behind me gave police. My vehicle was totaled as it rolled and flipped over a few times. I survived with a broken back.

My recollection is that of waking up with my face pressed against the snow through what would have been one of my rear windows. I was somehow in the rear of my vehicle now. My glasses off I couldn't see very well. I looked around and saw that my airbags had deployed..then I knew I had had an accident. I reached into my shirt pocket for my cell phone and called 911. I told the operator "I think I have just had an accident" whereas she responded "we know." The truck behind me called it in. The flashing lights soon appeared and I passed out.

During this time my wife felt she couldnt care for me with her busy work schedule. She was a nurse by the way. So I stayed with my mother while I recovered. I was bed ridden for a good while and basically had to learn how to walk all over again. I also had to adjust to taking seizure medications which are awful.

Several months passed and I was now ready to return home. I never made it. Well I made it past my doorway when she ensued on starting some argument which appeared strangely artifical to me. Apparently she wanted to fight but it was just a precursor for the divorce. It was a one sided argument as I knew something strange was up and I walked away from the premises with her yelling in the background all to herself.
It was such a bizarre sight to behold.

What I later learned: Apparently during this time she had got together with some other guy during my recovery (or maybe before...who knows). She also decided to take my animals, 2 dogs and cats to the vet to have them put down since I couldn't care for them. All this without consulting me. I never saw my auto insurance check. Some time later I got a copy of the check since it hadn't shown up where she clearly forged my signature.

We divorced.

We had been married 5 years. I helped raise her 2 kids. Now you tell me...was all this because of my personality? Or maybe I had outgrown my usefulness?

All lives are different and just because you experience life in one manner doesn't mean others will the same.

Again, this returns to my treatment of women. I dont mistreat women but I dont bend over backward for them either just because they are women. I treat them no differently than men and to say others have treated you a certain way because of your personality?

In a way you are right. If you are a pushover, expect to be shit on by either sex.

 

[Sci]

I'm sorry but I really don't think we live in a "female-dominated" society, hence I've already disagreed with the starting premise.

if the only women you meet are "bitches", then maybe you should look at your own personality and figure out why. I have dated or been friends with many women, and here's the number I would qualify as "bitches": 0

I had reflected on this for many years and my only conclusion was that I had confused the word "gentleman" with "pushover."

Uh-huh. Sure.

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We divorced.

We had been married 5 years. I helped raise her 2 kids. Now you tell me...was all this because of my personality? Or maybe I had outgrown my usefulness?

I really wouldn't know (though, given how you're stereotyping all 3.5 billion women in the world on the basis of a few individuals, I wouldn't be surprised if a bigoted personality only attracts other awful human beings).

What I do know is that you've described a situation wherein one woman was selfish (your ex-wife) and another woman was apparently loving and caring (your mother), yet you are assuming that women are all like the first and not all like the second, which is irrational.

All lives are different and just because you experience life in one manner doesn't mean others will the same.

True! And yet you can't apply this to the idea that your individual experiences don't necessarily indicate larger social structures. Leading you to make weird claims about living in a female-dominated society and whine about cartoon characters. Weird.

 

[Showdown]

HAL.9000, I think this explains it best, and have many examples.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale

 

[Yoda]

If my wife put down my pets while I was recovering from an accident I'd stab the bitch dead.

As for forging your signature, sounds like fraud to me. If in my universe she wasn't already bleeding out on the floor I'd make sure she ended up in jail.

White guy's are still top dog in the US, which is great and all being a white guy. But it is true, we're getting thrown into a bit of a 'hapless dope' role in pop culture. Especially in situations with black guys. Black guys have become the 'cool' standard. Meanwhile the other races are just kind of ignored and do their own thing.

As for the woman pwning you at work? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that more women suffer in the workplace from rejecting advances from men than the other way around. Just a guess.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Anecdotal evidence is just soooo compelling.

 

[Amaris]

Jesus H.M.F Christ. Hey, let's stab the bitches! What have women ever done for us?!

 

[Kestra]

You should treat men and women the same when it comes to respect. That's not to say there are no difference between the sexes but you don't need to extend all privileges to females. Yes, we can open doors for ourselves. I like it when someone holds the door open for me, but you know what? I hold doors open for people regardless of their gender. Today I held open the door for a guy who was coming into the library as I was leaving. Yesterday I opened a door for a man with a stroller. It's about helping people.

This thread is all over the place. You go from criticizing something you saw in a movie, to claiming society is female-dominated, to telling us about bad things that have personally happened to you that involved females.

Don't work at dividing people even more. Why not just say that you saw something in a movie that was inappropriate, bring it to people's attention, and have a discussion about it? Why can't we say "this wasn't appropriate and represents a double standard" without turning half of humanity into the enemy?

I think there are double standards that exist when it comes to men and women, and some of these we take for granted. And some of them are harmful and shouldn't exist. Let's be mature and open-minded about it. Let's talk about these things with each other without resorting to names like "asshole" and "bitch." You can help to educate people and let them see different perspectives, but you need to go about it in a better way.

 

[Pingfah]

So someone was mean to you, so therefore society must be stacked against men?

Anyone in that job could have done the same thing if you pissed them off. Jesus

Obviously you have never been hungry. Not the "I just missed lunch" hungry but the "I havent had a decent meal in days hungry."

Firstly, don't presume to know anything about me. Secondly, this statement is completely irrelevant to what I said. I did not say the woman was in any way justified in her actions, or that you were wrong to be upset at her actions. Your statement serves no purpose other than to try to undermine my credibility by presumptively painting me as being in a position where I couldn't possibly understand or empathise with the terrible position you found yourself in.

Weak.

As for society, I see society made up of individuals..not as a whole entity. If female individuals in this society are capable of overt, discriminatory action then is it a reflection of their gender?

Not if society is made up of individuals no, it is a reflection on themselves as people, your statement is completely self-contradictory. Females are no more capable of discriminatory action than men and you have presented nothing in this thread that suggests otherwise, beyond some meaningless anecdotes that refer to specific grievances of yours.

It's very clear you see society as being composed of 2 genders, one of which is intrinsically bad, not of individuals as you claim.

Men are universally labeled as assholes when it come to their interactions with women. Are all men the same? No, but we all get the same label right?

No, they aren't universally labelled assholes, and nobody ever labelled me an asshole in my interaction with women, I guess probably because i'm not being an asshole in my interactions with them. I don't know if you are, but you sure seem to have come in for a lot of bad treatment, I seriously doubt that is all just poor luck.

Therefore the "victim" label shouldn't apply to all women either. But they know it does, and they play it very well.

Again, somebody was mean to you. Wah.

I'm not sure you even understand what point you are trying to make anymore, your entire contribution to the thread has been nothing but a whirlwind of irrelevance, contradiction, hearsay and bitterness.

 

[cultcross]

This thread is all over the place.

I quite agree. It ceased being about TV and Media about half way through post one.

This thread's content is not TV/M material, and the personal remarks are starting to fly.

Before the warnings begin, I am therefore closing the thread. If the OP wishes to discuss this topic in The Neutral Zone, carry on. It's no longer suitable for this forum.