Federation vs Empire
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Why?
The first Death Star was thought to be impregnable without such defences. The shields it did have would have stopped any capital ship assault, and it was only during the Rebel attack that the possibility that a small fighter could do any real damage even occurred to them. So why bother putting an---apparently---unnecessary level of shielding on?
Now of course the vulnerability of the design to fighter attack became very apparent at the battle of Yavin. So the mark 2 version may very well have been fitted with superior protection.
And as Admiral2 points out, the Empire has a numerical advantage. They rule a galaxy, the Federation has only explored about 11% of its. If nothing else the Imps can zerg rush the Feds.
Odo cured the Founders. He gave the Founders their cure and agreed to return home with them, in exchange for which they ended the war. So in the wake of the war, the Founders were recovering from the disease, and they still had tons of personnel and resources supporting them back home in the Gamma Quadrant. They weren't beaten or broken militarily, because Star Trek is not a franchise that glorifies violence as a way to solve problems. They were convinced to stop fighting by an act of mercy, compassion, and trust. But they still had their military strength, and would've regained further strength once they shared Odo's cure. They just agreed not to use that strength against the Federation anymore.
And sure, the Federation controlled the wormhole, which let them protect their own quadrant. That doesn't translate to the ability to impose their will on the Dominion back in the Gamma Quadrant.
Man, I love how all you geniuses think an artificial moon that destroys entire planets qualifies as less-developed technology...
I think you forgot about the "Genesis Device" in Wrath of Khan.... and that wasn't the size of a moon either, it was a projectile device.
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@Admiral2, you don't think that the Feds, Klingons or Romulans could have glomped a bunch of guns together to make their own superweapon? Judging by planetary assault capability, the power of any of the Trek capital ships, scaled up to moon size would do the same thing. It's actually executing such a plan that is the fallacy. You lose all your allies in doing so.
@Badger if the DS2 were to be fitted with that protection, that's the first thing that they would have done.
@Badger if the DS2 were to be fitted with that protection, that's the first thing that they would have done.
Actually they showed a Star Wars cloaking device on Clone Wars and they seemed to work the same way.
Man, I love how all you geniuses think an artificial moon that destroys entire planets qualifies as less-developed technology...
I think you forgot about the "Genesis Device" in Wrath of Khan.... and that wasn't the size of a moon either, it was a projectile device.
If they refuse to use it as a weapon, then it doesn't matter. Like I said: The Empire has the superior doctrine.
Never said they couldn't. Just commenting on how the Fed boosters seem to think the Death Star is no big deal technologically speaking...
The Empire is the dominant force in an entire galaxy. It doesn't need allies.
(And assuming the Feds did build their own "Death Starships", it would come down to who shoots first. guess who that will be?)
Waiting for Master Chief to post.
I just don't see what it would be able to do to ships flying around it at warp speed blasting the snot out of if with everything from phasers, and photon torpedoes, to transporter mines, and boarding parties once holes get punched in the shields that couldn't even keep out x-wings.
Since the feds would be fighting at warp speed, I assume they would fire first.
In short, any civilization that has mastered matter/energy transformations will be superior.
In the Star Trek universe matter in the form of a cup of tea can be created without much effort. Matter is transformed to energy and transfered to another location to be transformed again into matter without effort.
The Star Wars universe has no such mechanism in place.
In the Star Trek universe matter in the form of a cup of tea can be created without much effort. Matter is transformed to energy and transfered to another location to be transformed again into matter without effort.
The Star Wars universe has no such mechanism in place.
We are talking about hypothetical technologies here, so it's all pure speculation, but I can easily imagine reasons why this might not be the case. For example, if a shield is to be projected around an object, it must either have projectors placed all over it's outer surface, or rely on an external system located far enough away that the shield can be focussed around it. The second Death Star, being only half built, didn't have a surface area big enough for three-sixty degree coverage.
Or, if that don't work for you, the main reactor was not up to full strength. It could work the big gun, or the shields, but not both.
Another point to bear in mind, with some notable exceptions travel times in Trek for any appreciable distance are often very long. In Star Wars, you can go from the edge of the galaxy to the core in weeks. If Voyager were an Imperial Star Destroyer, it'd be home in about a month.
Considering the not dominant force in the galaxy Rebel Alliance who the Empire most likely had a numbers advantage on kicked the Empire's ass and overthrow them, thaty really doesn't count for crap.
The Alliance was still fighting with Imperial Forces after the Battle of Endor, a significant victory but not a complete ass-kicking by any stretch of the imagination. And the Alliance also has a superior military mindset to the Federation: Kill Imperials before they can kill us. I say again, a defense force run by scientists and philosophers will be wiped out by the Empire, regardless of who the Empire's other enemies are.
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