Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread
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I just noticed that, around the 9:50 mark of JanewayRulz's clip, Chakotay puts his hands on his hips.
It's like when you spend so much time with someone, their mannerisms start to rub off on you.
It's like when you spend so much time with someone, their mannerisms start to rub off on you.
Now if only he would start doing the dismissive hand wave. 
Hey, I wish I could get away with doing the dismissive hand wave.
I'm surprised there aren't more pics from this episode in the Janeway thread--there were a lot of really good visuals in it.
I'm surprised there aren't more pics from this episode in the Janeway thread--there were a lot of really good visuals in it.
Was great to see Janeway's bun again.
Yup
Probably one of the best of later season episodes...QFT
Wannabe.
I especially liked the scene where the Doc is been hunted by the Hirogen, he gets caught, the Hirogen cuts him and a splash of blood hits the camera. That's the first time I remember Trek being that graphic.
I just assumed Chakotay had debriefed her and brought her up to speed for the plan to work.
Why else would she even care to help unless something he said gave her reason?
I'm am really tired today. It's appropriate that I'm talking about an episode that touches on the travails of parenthood. This could only be...
"Lineage"
It wasn't until after this episode was over that I realized there were no aliens, no temporal anomalies, and not much technobabble (a little at the end with the forcefield, but not too much). "Lineage" is almost entirely a character-driven drama. It makes me wish they'd have done more like it.
Roxann Dawson totally carries this one, with an assist from Robert Picardo, and Robert McNeill acquits himself well, too. On the negative side, the levitating hologram of the .25Klingon toddler has knocked out the Flotter Doll as the creepiest thing I've seen on Voyager.
We had a funny moment watching it. When Tom finds out, I say, "That means no more Captain Proton. No more cock-blocking Harry on the holodeck." Then, a few scenes later, Harry says the exact same thing--minus the cock-blocking.
I wish Tom or B'Elana had yelled at everyone who was giving them advice. I know just how annoying that can be.
What's the deal with the Doctor suddenly having to brush up on OB stuff? Didn't he deliver NaomiWildman a few seasons ago?
The flashback stuff was great. I was thrilled to see scenes that gave us insight into a character without using chroniton particles or anything like that. I really, really wish they'd done more of that. Funny how it seems like such an obvious thing to do now, post-Lost. Although her dad is kind of a dick, isn't he?
Also, why does everyone keep calling B'Elana "Klingon." She's half-Klingon. And given that she doesn't like Klingon culture that much, it's not that accurate.
My wife's reaction to her reprogramming the Doctor: "That's a reason to get divorced." My reaction: "That's grounds for a court martial." They didn't make that big a deal out of it, though.
The episode as a whole, however, was great. There was a lot of passion put into it, and it worked.
"Lineage"
It wasn't until after this episode was over that I realized there were no aliens, no temporal anomalies, and not much technobabble (a little at the end with the forcefield, but not too much). "Lineage" is almost entirely a character-driven drama. It makes me wish they'd have done more like it.
Roxann Dawson totally carries this one, with an assist from Robert Picardo, and Robert McNeill acquits himself well, too. On the negative side, the levitating hologram of the .25Klingon toddler has knocked out the Flotter Doll as the creepiest thing I've seen on Voyager.
We had a funny moment watching it. When Tom finds out, I say, "That means no more Captain Proton. No more cock-blocking Harry on the holodeck." Then, a few scenes later, Harry says the exact same thing--minus the cock-blocking.
I wish Tom or B'Elana had yelled at everyone who was giving them advice. I know just how annoying that can be.
What's the deal with the Doctor suddenly having to brush up on OB stuff? Didn't he deliver NaomiWildman a few seasons ago?
The flashback stuff was great. I was thrilled to see scenes that gave us insight into a character without using chroniton particles or anything like that. I really, really wish they'd done more of that. Funny how it seems like such an obvious thing to do now, post-Lost. Although her dad is kind of a dick, isn't he?
Also, why does everyone keep calling B'Elana "Klingon." She's half-Klingon. And given that she doesn't like Klingon culture that much, it's not that accurate.
My wife's reaction to her reprogramming the Doctor: "That's a reason to get divorced." My reaction: "That's grounds for a court martial." They didn't make that big a deal out of it, though.
The episode as a whole, however, was great. There was a lot of passion put into it, and it worked.
Wasn't he the doctor of the Voyager were Niomi died?
Yeah, but it wasn't his fault. His program kept cutting off and on while he was working on her. Also, there were many others coming into Sickbay in bad shape needing his attention. It was implied that whatever she suffered from was something he could normally have fixed with no problems.
Generally agree with all your reviews, and this no exception. Though I do think final season is a bit late to leave it to start doing character-driven drama
This is yet another 'meh' one for me as I never bought into B'Elanna's problems with father/heritage (not fault of actors who do good job, but writers). Plus I tend to get this one mixed up with the D7 Klingons-Jesus baby episode, which I assume is coming up soon?I know.Wasn't he the doctor of the Voyager were Niomi died?
Yeah, but it wasn't his fault. His program kept cutting off and on while he was working on her. Also, there were many others coming into Sickbay in bad shape needing his attention. It was implied that whatever she suffered from was something he could normally have fixed with no problems.
I was just joking.
The ep. I refer too as "That Which We Shall Not Speak Of.."
Darn it, exodus, I thought you were asking for someone to show off her Voyager facts. Maybe later?
Child, you know you ain't gots to impress me.
I know you gots skillz to pay da billz.
I've noticed that this is an episode that many are very black & white about. You either love it or hate it, I've seen very little grey area when it comes to this. ep.
For me I really connect with Be'Lanna and her views and issues with her father. So from my POV, I'm not sure if the issue is with the writers or how we identify with the issue from our own personal perspective.
I am glad you brought it up because it often makes for good conversation/debate.
Well, I kind of hate it. At first, I totally hated it. But then, one time when I was complaining about it, exodus made a comparison between B'Elanna and Michael Jackson - regarding their fathers, not their singing/dancing - and I lightened up on my criticism a little.
I think that the worm sammich messed things up for me. The writers were trying to talk seriously about the impact of B'elanna's parents getting a divorce, but the image that stuck with me was an annoying kid whining about her cousins picking on her. Not that I want to tune into Star Trek and see rampant emotional abuse, but sticking with the more serious issues would have helped me "feel" this one more.
I think that the worm sammich messed things up for me. The writers were trying to talk seriously about the impact of B'elanna's parents getting a divorce, but the image that stuck with me was an annoying kid whining about her cousins picking on her. Not that I want to tune into Star Trek and see rampant emotional abuse, but sticking with the more serious issues would have helped me "feel" this one more.
Being a child of a single parent made this ep. very real for me, so I came at it from my own inner feelings. When I was young Be'Lanna's age, you do wonder:
"Why did Daddy leave?"
"Why did Daddy not love me enough to stay?"
Seeing how her father never tried to contact her after he left what thoughts could she possably have other than: "He left because of me or Mommy."
"Something we did made him leave."
"It's all my fault"
Due to the fact that she was experiencing Klingon bias and racial hate, it was logical for her young mind to find that as the excuse because she's was too young to understand the complexities of adult situations. When you consider Be'lanna's age, those emotions have festered in her for along time to the point where pain is her blanket. Anger is now comfort.
Her anger isn't from being Klingon, it's from physical & emotional abandonment.
"Why did Daddy leave?"
"Why did Daddy not love me enough to stay?"
Seeing how her father never tried to contact her after he left what thoughts could she possably have other than: "He left because of me or Mommy."
"Something we did made him leave."
"It's all my fault"
Due to the fact that she was experiencing Klingon bias and racial hate, it was logical for her young mind to find that as the excuse because she's was too young to understand the complexities of adult situations. When you consider Be'lanna's age, those emotions have festered in her for along time to the point where pain is her blanket. Anger is now comfort.
Her anger isn't from being Klingon, it's from physical & emotional abandonment.
I just wish that had been expressed better in the episode. Or maybe I just didn't see it, 'cause as we all know, I sometimes get fixated on minor points (ahem, potroast). I can't help but compare this ep to "Barge of the Dead", though, which I thought did an outstanding job exploring B's relationship with her mother and how that impacted her life and her relationships as an adult.
I agree but I think the difference is, Be'Lanna did have a relationship with her mother. She didn't have much of one at all with her father. So I think that side of her came out in this ep.
In either story, Be'lanna had to learn to love herself in the end.
Now she can be the parent Miral needs her to be.
That's what makes the story worth while for me.
It's also the second time we see Be'Lanna emotionally open and crying.
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